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  Quote cloudpeak Replybullet Posted: 23 May 2008 at 2:19pm
I'm just curious. This question is for Paul. What's the proper bootie etiquette when you're in your boat and fall off highway overpasses, crash going down stairs, or beater in the snow? Funny videos, BTW. lol

I just felt the need to be part of this important thread.

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  Quote kebm1979 Replybullet Posted: 24 May 2008 at 4:53pm
The bootie is part of the tradition among friends, not a requirement of boating and the sport.  If i am with peeps I don't normally paddle with I probably won't mention a bootie to them, but if it's my bests buds and I'm in reasonable boatin shape I expect the bootie to probably be called.

That said I did have a nasty bacteria illness a number of years ago from drinking a bootie.  I have had giardia too, but that was just from nasty bolivian water not a bootie.  the bacteria was worse as it was flying out both ends for a couple of days.  those babies are now the major stench of a laidfill close to home. 

lesson learned:
booties can be okay, but troublesome too
keeping booties clean, v. important

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  Quote Courtney Replybullet Posted: 24 May 2008 at 6:02pm
A couple of hypothetical questions:
 
If your booties are sucked off during your swim and they aren't recovered, what do you do?  Is there a grace period so that you can partake of the tradition when new booties are purchased, or must you use the booties that were in use during the swim?
 
What if you fully intend to partake of the booty tradition, but your idiot kayaking friends did not bring beer to the river (in that case are they actually friends?), how much time can pass before the act booty beering is negated and does not help your river karma?  Must you drive like hell to the nearest store and get some beer before the time limit runs out?  What if you are in a dry county in North Carolina and the nearest beer store is 80 miles away?
 
What if none of your paddling partners agree with the booty beer and think it spreads disease and such, but you feel you must right the karma imbalance by having one, but they pitch a total fit that you are going to kill yourself?  Is it bad manners to have a booty beer in such company?
 
What if your booty has holes in it and a lot of beer spills on the ground, does that really count as a booty beer, or is that like sort of having a booty beer?
 
If you wear socks inside of your booties but your friends don't, do they restore more river karma by bootying than you do?
 
If you have a gag reflex while bootying and upchuck, does that increase the bad karma more than if you had just not bootied?  Or if you gag reflex, but suck it back down and finish the booty, do you gain river godness status?
 
The only booty I believe in doing belongs to my wife, so I guess I didn't really have a right to ask the above questions.  Feel free to flog me next you see me.
 
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  Quote paddlefoo Replybullet Posted: 24 May 2008 at 9:32pm
Hugo

You opinion is actually the irrelevant one.  You claim that those who do not booty should not have an opinion.  That would be great if we lived in a bubble.  The fact of the matter is that the whitewater community is very small and everything that we all do, at times, affects everyone else...or at least has the potential to do so.

That being said, drinking anything from soiled booties gives you and the rest of of us in the whitewater community a bad name.  There is a reason we have all heard the term "dirt bag boater"  and other fun variations of that term.  While amusing at times, it doesn't really help when we are trying to make progress to open up access to runs, gain recreational releases and have influence with the greater society at large in other ways.  As a small community...your "tradition" doesn't help our cause(s).

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