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mokelumnekid
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 Topic: Best (recent) history of ww kayaking? Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 10:32pm |
Maybe the sport is a bit too new and changing too fast for this kind of thing- there are some pretty good recent books on the modern (post '50's) history of climbing out there- can someone recommend to me a similar resource for boating? I think a lot of noobs and semi-noobs are in the dark about this. I'm not talking technique so much but just a who-what-where-when of the pioneers kind of thing.
Here's why I'm interested: A little over a week ago I was in Nor-Cal and was looking to do some boating when that big storm came in and pretty much put the levels out of reach for my modest ability. So I went to the Sierra east side to run the East Fork Carson, a short season run that is billed as scenic (hot springs!) and long- 21 miles (plus I mapped the geology of the area in the 1980's and wanted to go back).
So I am at the put-in and my support doesn't want to do it, but then another guy and his daughter show-up and I decide to go with them. He has a long old schoolish boat, tied on to an old Volvo with ropes, etc. You get the picture. Nicest guy in the world tho. I can tell right away he is a dynamite boater and we chit-chat the whole day, him giving me very incisive pointers (politely), etc. His name is Richard Montgomery.
So only later do I learn the guy is an absolute pioneer of west coast boating, was a longtime partner of Lars Holbek, etc., etc. So here I am paddling with an icon, running my stupid mouth about my puny noob bull s-t oblivious to the fact that I could be maybe getting some great stories if I asked nicely. Point being I need to get schooled on whose shoulders I am standing on. It is all about respect folks.
(This has happened to me before- in the early '90's my wife and I were climbing in the back country of Yosemite NP when Fred Becky walks out of the woods in the middle of nowhere and joins us. Then there was the time I met the two greatest living geologists of granite standing at an outcrop in remote....well... you get the picture. Angels visits!)
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warlickone
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 Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 11:34pm |
Great post. Seems to me the world of climbing is more into quantifying and documenting ascents. Like in the guide books...listing first ascents and first free ascents under each climb. Paddling guide books don't speculate as much about who did what and when.
Maybe paddling is more of an oral history and one that melts into the memories of those who were there for the ride. I think it is just a cultural difference between the two sports.
Would you think climbing to be more narcissitic than boating? (I don't mean this as an insult to climbers) Kind of like sailing....climbing and sailing adventures make for novels....never seen a boating novel.
Jim
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James
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 Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 8:01am |
I have seen and read boating novels. Some are great reads but I agree by and by whitewater boating is not as popular of a sport for written documentation. I only think there are two solid reasons for that though; Size and Demographics. Just my 2 cents.
If your looking for whitewater reads, I would suggest pinging Slickhorn. He always seems to have an ample amount of Whitewater Literature.
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doggievacation
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 Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 9:22am |
Seems like most of the historical info that has been recorded is in guidebooks for specific drainages. For example, I have a guidebook called "Paddling the Payette" that has a fair amount of local boating history in the opening pages, in addition to run descriptions. Of course, the Grand Canyon has all kinds of historical books about it. As for a global, "history of the sport" book, I've never seen anything close.
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Jed Hawkes
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 Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 9:30am |
Look into anything written by doug ammons, he's got a cool look at whitewater.
I have a big coffee table book called "the river chasers" by Susan L. Taft. That book covers everything from the days of paddling Grumman canoes in the post WWII era, the 1950's folboat revolution, into the mid to late nineties. It doesn't include the New School, but has lots of info on the infant stages of the sport. That might be a good place to start.
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mokelumnekid
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 Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 1:00pm |
Thanks everyone, great suggestions. I guess I'll need to piece things together on my own- but that sounds fun too. I was bummed to discover the WWHoF website is down.
Another thing that I discovered when down there is that Cal boaters will not go out in anything less than perfect weather the pansys But hey- since they have 300 days of it a year- why not wait?
(The Fred Becky story is an interesting one for another time...it does involve an episode of Fred doing his "laying on of hands" for which he is famous for when females are around)
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