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  Quote chipmaney Replybullet Topic: For your amusement....
    Posted: 23 Feb 2010 at 3:08pm
Farmlands carnage.....

Class IV boof on a Class V waterfall....

Slow motion death flip....

You'll have to imagine the beauty of the cave for yourself.....




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  Quote Travisimo Replybullet Posted: 23 Feb 2010 at 3:35pm
Sweet shot, but why did the video stop???

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  Quote oukr9965 Replybullet Posted: 23 Feb 2010 at 3:36pm

Just out of curiosity, how'd you get out from behind the vail?  Were you able to get air, etc?  Did you flush?  Someone told me once that they were able to climb out of it....don't know about that one.  Anyways, would appreciate any information.

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  Quote septimus prime Replybullet Posted: 23 Feb 2010 at 3:51pm
I stopped filming when all signs of the boat and chip had vanished. I assumed holding a throw bag instead of the camera might be more appropriate.
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  Quote water wacko Replybullet Posted: 23 Feb 2010 at 3:54pm
damn. that looks scary.
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  Quote Larry Replybullet Posted: 23 Feb 2010 at 4:12pm
If you kept filming people would be saying "why didn't ya put down the camera and help?"  But NOW it's "Where's the rest of the footage?"
 
I say "throw bag in one hand, camera in the other." (make sure the camera's in the steadier hand)
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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 23 Feb 2010 at 4:19pm
Just make sure you don't throw the camera and hold the bag steady... That could piss someone off aeh!
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  Quote jP Replybullet Posted: 23 Feb 2010 at 4:29pm
yeah-bummer. Somekind of right-hip english just spun you right into the pocket. Where's the footie of my boof? Man, I just am the invisible boater. Then when people take pics or vid, they hoard it.
 
Once Chip was on the rope, swinging into the bank I chased Chip's boat through the class IV drop just downstream. Fortunately there is enough flatwater below it to bulldoze a boat into the eddy on R. Right above a longer series of  diagonal ledge holes.
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  Quote septimus prime Replybullet Posted: 23 Feb 2010 at 5:01pm
I can see it now, camera in one hand, throw bag in the other, cig in mouth and beer stuffed in PFD.
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  Quote Travisimo Replybullet Posted: 23 Feb 2010 at 5:15pm
Sounds about perfect! 

But hey, filmin' and ropin' don't have to be separate.  Check out my vid under, nah I'll just hijack this thread too.  The youtube embedding feature is cool!



On a more serious note though, I'd like to hear how you got out too...
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  Quote chipmaney Replybullet Posted: 23 Feb 2010 at 5:32pm
uhhh, yeah, dude....i already watched this in another thread, so butt out, I don't want anyone taking away from people's focus on MY swim.......errr, on second thought....

you are right, travis, that's some nice multi-tasking with the rope and camera....turns out, i didn't need a rope at all....i ended up having to swim down the next rapid to my boat, anyway....it was nice to get a scout first, though, so thanks Jed for the good rope skills!  Never know when it's going to come back around on you, hahahahahahaha.......
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  Quote chipmaney Replybullet Posted: 23 Feb 2010 at 5:36pm
oh yeah...how i got out: Staying relaxed....

if you count, i am upside down for 10 seconds, and that is only the portion videoed when i am still in the boat. after i pulled, I came up in the cave.  Without catching a breath, I felt myself sucked back to the curtain, where i got pummeled down to the streambed.  Once I peeled my face off a boulder (seriously), I just started grasping rocks and pulling myself downstream, which worked well enough for me to surface downstream of the boil.....
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  Quote chipmaney Replybullet Posted: 23 Feb 2010 at 5:39pm
Originally posted by jP

yeah-bummer. Somekind of right-hip english just spun you right into the pocket. Where's the footie of my boof? Man, I just am the invisible boater. Then when people take pics or vid, they hoard it.
 
Once Chip was on the rope, swinging into the bank I chased Chip's boat through the class IV drop just downstream. Fortunately there is enough flatwater below it to bulldoze a boat into the eddy on R. Right above a longer series of  diagonal ledge holes.


some people are funny about their privacy, so i tend not to post video's or pics of other people on a public forum...but since you asked for it.....


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  Quote oukr9965 Replybullet Posted: 23 Feb 2010 at 5:46pm
Thanks for sharing and glad you came out alright.
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  Quote Hilneevel Replybullet Posted: 23 Feb 2010 at 6:25pm
I've been in that cave. I was trapped by my boat- which was getting flipped around and slamming into me- in the far river left corner of the cave (which I think is actually in the center of the falls). Definitely didn't seem feasible to climb out from there, maybe it's possible on the river right side. I can't say I looked around a whole lot. After a few seconds of getting bashed by my boat I just pushed off the back wall as hard as I could with my feet and dove into the curtain. The water pushed me down for what seemed like an eternity, but as soon as I started to come back up I remember feeling ecstatic because I knew I was out. I popped up about 20 feet downstream of the falls, right next to a throw bag!
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  Quote Old Fart Replybullet Posted: 23 Feb 2010 at 7:49pm
So, comin from an old man who don't know much, I have to say that this thread clearly illustrates the need to finish one's boof withan aggressive forward stroke....check out JP's finish (nice work JP} as opposed to Chip's...says it all
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  Quote ThrowYaMittsUp Replybullet Posted: 24 Feb 2010 at 12:10pm
Yeah, that's often the most important part of the whole boof move and is rarely given much attention.

Nice line jP!
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  Quote chipmaney Replybullet Posted: 24 Feb 2010 at 12:36pm
Originally posted by Old Fart

So, comin from an old man who don't know much, I have to say that this thread clearly illustrates the need to finish one's boof withan aggressive forward stroke....check out JP's finish (nice work JP} as opposed to Chip's...says it all


actually, i have studied these videos very carefully.  JP only takes the stroke after he re-emerges downstream from the pile.  He clearly had enough momentum to drive through to pile.  so, while i agree my finish needs vast improvement, i think other factors played a role in my line's dissolution.



one key difference I see are the location of the boof stroke:  JP got it perfect and I was early .  In addition,  I agree with JPs assessment that I probably stuck an edge down on the landing.  It is true that a strong forward stroke on the landing may correct the edging issue. the other thing i notice is the angle of the paddle shaft in the picture....clearly, i need to get a more vertical paddle on the boof stroke.....

in the end, i just wasn't aggressive enough. I tried to be relaxed and not overpower it.... clearly i was too non-chalant.  i think a good hard charge and delayed boof stroke will resolve the issue....   


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  Quote chipmaney Replybullet Posted: 24 Feb 2010 at 12:37pm

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  Quote chipmaney Replybullet Posted: 24 Feb 2010 at 12:37pm
hmmmm...picture won't embed at larger size...
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  Quote Travisimo Replybullet Posted: 24 Feb 2010 at 1:04pm
Wow, if you replay Chips video over and over from 5 seconds and JP's from 8 seconds its surprising just how similar both landings really were!

It looks to me like JP actually landed just a bit to the left and definitely was helped by the timing of the boof stroke! 

I suspect there could be a bit of chaos theory here too, sometimes lady luck wants to show us who's really boss if you ask me.

Very cool comparison, thanks!
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  Quote NOMADIC WORLD Replybullet Posted: 24 Feb 2010 at 1:12pm
I ended up behind the curtain last summer, how long were you back there. You get a lot of time to think and figure out how to get out. There's a vid somewhere of my swim that Dan shot, but my boof was sh*t, and mother nature reminded me to practice.
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  Quote Monk Replybullet Posted: 24 Feb 2010 at 3:21pm
I agree with Etive...both land with about the same inclination.   Might be the azimuth that played a part?  A little too much angle to the right, a boil pushes the bow off line, and you end up sideways and headed toward the cave...  Not to mention, those are different boats, and different boats resurface differently...

But I'll probably get called out on that one...
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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 24 Feb 2010 at 3:23pm
There is a difference in horizontal boat angle, and a difference on which side of the crown your boofing from. JP is much more center trending center-left while you are just right of center trending right.

Its hard to tell but upon landing you look to be in a brace for a while too without body motion or momentum...  the sun/shade and camera makes it hard to see that part.
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  Quote chipmaney Replybullet Posted: 24 Feb 2010 at 4:31pm
thanks everyone for the useful input....lesson: more experience reading water, better line selection, a greater ability to actually hit the line (Lava is tough be sure on), and better stroke technique....lung capacity is fine, though....


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