Cispus upper upper?
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Topic: Cispus upper upper?
Posted By: imageAK
Subject: Cispus upper upper?
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2015 at 2:42pm
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Ran what I think was the upper upper today. From NF21 to the fr23 bridge. Not sure if it was the entire run or? ------------- aint nobody got time for that! |
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Posted By: JoesKayak
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2015 at 2:58pm
If you put in at the NF and paddled to the FR23 bridge, you were paddling upstream. You must be a stud! |
Posted By: imageAK
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2015 at 3:16pm
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Not too sure. Took out at fr-23 bridge after putting in from nf-21. Took a left onto nf-21 from nf-23 and went several miles then drug down to the river from a spur road off right. ------------- aint nobody got time for that! |
Posted By: imageAK
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2015 at 3:18pm
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Went through a good long gorge that started in a 8ft drop pushing left with a solid hole at the bottom ------------- aint nobody got time for that! |
Posted By: JoesKayak
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2015 at 3:27pm
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Yeah, definitely sounds like you ran the upper upper. Did you run Behemoth? That would be a good pretty hard to miss and be a good indicator.
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Posted By: imageAK
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2015 at 4:40pm
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Not sure. Couple of sack tightening drops in there. None of which looked like any videos i watched last night.
One such drop i thought was behemoth but felt like it kicked right more than any footage ive seen and had less boil than the video ive seen of travismo in there. ------------- aint nobody got time for that! |
Posted By: imageAK
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2015 at 4:47pm
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The hole after the big drop is what gave me doubt i might have pulled out early. I read behemoth has a cave of river left. But i didnt see that, and the room between the biggest drop and the hole just after wasnt too wild,the hole after wasnt as dramatic either. It was a hell of a stretch though! Pretty sure i grew some hair on my chest in there. ------------- aint nobody got time for that! |
Posted By: Travisimo
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2015 at 6:21pm
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Behemoth does kick right, I think my video is a lot higher than now so it would look different.
At high water there is a serious pull on the left that pulls boaters better than me behind the falls. Not really a cave, more an eddy that sucks you back and behind. In the video I purposely plugged the right to avoid being sucked in. This unfortunately blew my skirt 
The only plus of plugging was little chance of going out of the punch bowl. I was right but it was unpleasant with a boat full of water! Was there a small ledge on the left after a difficult stretch from which it was nearly impossible to avoid running the falls? Only Behemoth has that distinction. If you saw the falls before running it, you would've been there! ------------- H2O please |
Posted By: imageAK
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2015 at 6:27pm
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Sure enough, sounds like what i remember. ------------- aint nobody got time for that! |
Posted By: Travisimo
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2015 at 6:38pm
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wow, that would be freaky alone!
http://cascadeclassics.org/Kayaking/Cispus/UpperUpper/Fall02/One/UpperUpperCispus,Fall02.htm - old trip normal flows Don't pay much attention to the flow listed, the gauge broke once and the flows seem much different now. I suspect your flow was similar (a bit higher though) to the pics, look more like it? ------------- H2O please |
Posted By: Travisimo
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2015 at 6:47pm
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Haha! Also thanks for asking the question, reading that report reminded me of that trip!
I made a helmet cam with a battery pack under my skirt, a bullet cam on my head and one rca cable that fed a camcorder behind my seat. I need to convert to digital... I knocked it off my head n broke the bullet cam that day. Never used it after :P ------------- H2O please |
Posted By: imageAK
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2015 at 6:48pm
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It was scary. Im just tired of wasting, day or weeks waiting to paddle and then not progressing. You do what you can with whats flowing I suppose.
Ive been feeling good about my forward stroke & after a buddy bailed on me I decided to go for it. And yeah it did actually look like the pics! That small ledge on river left sticks out too. ------------- aint nobody got time for that! |
Posted By: imageAK
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2015 at 6:52pm
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I watched that video and the one from a little after that one a few times. you kill it man! ------------- aint nobody got time for that! |
Posted By: imageAK
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2015 at 9:17pm
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Speaking of, anyone interested in a run later this week/weekend? ------------- aint nobody got time for that! |
Posted By: imageAK
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2015 at 8:29am
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Headed back out there today! All that rain last night prolly helped her pad out a little more.
No cellphone so anyone intereted ill be hanging around the NF-23 bridge till 12 then heading to the put in! ------------- aint nobody got time for that! |
Posted By: imageAK
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 7:40am
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Upper upper & upper both worth the drive! UU doesnt seems like a perfect level, and managed not to scrape on the upper. ------------- aint nobody got time for that! |
Posted By: SOPBOATER
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 9:34am
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Originally posted by imageAK
Sure enough, sounds like what i remember. I think you were on the upper and lower. Unless you ran a thirty foot drop and sort of forgot about it along with a couple other mentionable rapids upstream. The eight footer was likely a sloped white lightening. Adams fork is the traditional put in for the upper upper. You would have known it if you were on there. |
Posted By: imageAK
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 11:10am
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46.341654, -121.673043 this is what I had saved to maps on my phone & right about where I found a spur road leading into what looked like an area people have camped in, with an easy hike down to the river. ------------- aint nobody got time for that! |
Posted By: Travisimo
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 11:21am
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https://www.google.com/maps/dir/46.3621483,-121.7258745/46.337121,-121.6478006/@46.3522995,-121.7111412,14z?hl=en - Here is the shuttle ------------- H2O please |
Posted By: imageAK
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 11:47am
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apparently I need to go in there with someone that knows all the names & has a gopro, So i can get some education & more detail in my statements before I post anything on PP. ------------- aint nobody got time for that! |
Posted By: Travisimo
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 12:06pm
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https://www.google.com/maps/place/46%C2%B02043.1N+121%C2%B04137.9W/@46.345306,-121.693866,265m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0!6m1!1e1?hl=en - Here is Behemoth
If you put in at the coordinates you listed, you put in above Island Drop and would've run Behemoth. I suspect you put in somewhere downstream from the campsite since even Island drop is pretty memorable. ------------- H2O please |
Posted By: imageAK
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 12:16pm
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its a double drop right?, with like a ridge of rocks leading up to a big island that splits the right & left? And the left sides a bad idea cause it shoves you into the flow from the right? ------------- aint nobody got time for that! |
Posted By: SOPBOATER
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 12:23pm
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Originally posted by imageAK
its a double drop right?, with like a ridge of rocks leading up to a big island that splits the right & left? And the left sides a bad idea cause it shoves you into the flow from the right? Yes. Both sides can be run. Looks like you boosted off behemoth like a speed bump with nary a second thought. Cool. There shouldn't be any lack of flow in there right now. |
Posted By: huckin harms
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 12:55pm
| This whole bit is inane. With all the resources available to us, there is no excuse for not knowing what section you're on. You don't need a gopro with somebody to show you down. You need a map and maybe the WA guidebook, or just look it up on this site or AW. There is no mystery to the UUCispus as you create. Sorry if this is harshing on your mellow. |
Posted By: imageAK
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 1:25pm
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Not at all, more realistically I tried to come off as more mellow than necessary, since every time previously on PP I've tried to boast I've gotten equally as much blow back. I didnt have anyone to reference beta from, & somewhere in the past two weeks lost my bennett book, but did scout half a dozen spots along NF-21 and then decided to finally put in where it seemed obvious & easiest.
Lack of regard for safety is a personal issue & not one I excersize among a group, alas that issue goes hand in hand with my inability to ever find a paddling partner, since I started paddling & since I joined PP. So again my mistake for playing stupid, hoping to gain some notoriety, & fostering trying to glorify stumbling upon a big run half assed & going for it. I was aware of what possibly lie in wait just not all the logistics, guess im just alienating myself more. ------------- aint nobody got time for that! |
Posted By: SOPBOATER
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 2:31pm
| You definitely don't need a gopro. IMHO and it's just that an opinion they have ruined allot of what is great about kayaking whitewater. I personally don't like to see video of a run before I do it. It robs me of my own discovery and chess match. Nor do I like an inordinate about of beta. But all that aside. I don't know you nor have I paddled with you to my knowledge. I haven't the slightest clue of your ability or comfort level. However I do know that most people capable of soloing the upper upper know where they are on the river period. Paddling is a game best played by straight shooters. Straight with yourself, others, and the river. I only paddle with straight shooters, especially in class v environments. Perhaps you are having difficulty finding a partner because folks don't know if you are shooting straight. I'm not trying to bring you down and only trying to help. It just seems to me there's allot to question here. I'm old school and don't go in for these new fangled fancy coordinates and gopros, but I always know where I'm paddling with very very few exceptions. So you either did or you didn't paddle some river and that's all I can really glean from this thread. I really don't care one way or the other but would like to see you progress in paddling and find folks your own ability to paddle with. I think many here just don't know what type of experience they would be in for. Another thing is that there is no shame in being w beginner, intermediate or any type of boater and there is no rush. I've been paddling Washington rivers for about twenty years and I'm definitely not as smooth as I used to be, but I don't distress or regress. I just paddle where I feel comfortable and am honest with myself and others of how I'm feeling on any given day. Sometimes I feel like I rock, other times I don't. Depends on many factors chiefl among them being my recent seat time. In short I really don't want to see you alienate yourself cause having a solid crew is awesome and you seem highly stoked. Just be real. The paddling community houses some of the most interesting, intelligent, compassionate and adventurous people I know. So be real, be stoked, and folks will be real with you. Again, not trying to bum you out, just trying to help. |
Posted By: imageAK
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 3:04pm
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Thank you. ------------- aint nobody got time for that! |