Fall in the wall?
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Topic: Fall in the wall?
Posted By: ODarrow
Subject: Fall in the wall?
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2014 at 8:35am
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Got on this run (guess you can call it that) last spring and it looks like it might be in again. Just super simple drive from north bend so I could be up there later today. I forget what level is ideal for this one. Anyone remember? 2069099312 for a good talk on the walking shuttle!
-Owen ------------- "See what happens" |
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Posted By: Jed Hawkes
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2014 at 8:48am
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Depends on what your looking for, the general consensus is that if the cup is out of the water it is low, water flowing into the cup is a nice medium, and the cup rock barely sticking out of the water is high, and if the cup is creating a little wave then it's stomping high.
With FITWa your always best just getting up there and looking at the cup, this time of year any of the gauges are so far downstream that there isn't a reliable correlation. ------------- The line will become apparent 978-273-7723 |
Posted By: itchy
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2014 at 9:06am
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I'd be up for running it tomorrow or over the weekend.
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Posted By: jalmquist
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2014 at 9:25am
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First things first... People - it's "Fall INTO the Wall", not Fall IN the Wall. How the heck can you fall IN a wall?! Unless you're a rat with two left feet rummaging around behind the drywall... When you boat off the lip of FITW proper, you're falling INTO the wall, you're not falling in the wall. OK, rant done, now let's chat flow. |
Posted By: JD_G
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2014 at 10:30am
| Jon's right.....it's Fall INTO the Wall. But more importantly he's spot on with the flow beta. I bet it was running when it was 500 - 600 recently. Past years in early November, that's equated to a low, to med-low flow. |
Posted By: ODarrow
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2014 at 11:18am
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Totally blanked on the "into" and thanks for the flow beta! ------------- "See what happens" |
Posted By: jalmquist
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2014 at 11:40am
| Actually, you didn't blank - you just reiterated what you've been told. Or what you've read... Check the PP rivers page, AW, etc. They all have us falling "in" the wall. Sounds claustrophobic if you ask me. |
Posted By: jalmquist
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2014 at 4:05pm
| True. But the wall that you fall towards - into if you launch straight - is the one that gets your attention. Then if you don't get left, the undercut gets your attention. |
Posted By: JoesKayak
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2014 at 6:31pm
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Originally posted by jalmquist First things first... People - it's "Fall INTO the Wall", not Fall IN the Wall. How the heck can you fall IN a wall?! Unless you're a rat with two left feet rummaging around behind the drywall... When you boat off the lip of FITW proper, you're falling INTO the wall, you're not falling in the wall. OK, rant done, now let's chat flow. Word. And while we're at it... What about the increasing number of people mis-labeling the Fearsome Foursome. When it was originally named, drop #1 is the short (~4') ledge that come in at a 90ª angle, not the ledge just below it (that is #2). What some people have been calling #4 is not actually part of the Fearsome foursome. (It's preceeded by a nice big pool, except at really high levels) The Fearsome 4 are the 4 ledges that are packed right on top of each other and were named so because they all flow right into each other. Now that you all know this, call them by their proper names or every time you don't you'll get worked in Fisherman's.  Then again, if the first guys to run this had named it Fearsome fivesome there wouldn't be this confusion.  |
Posted By: jalmquist
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 10:19am
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JoesKayak is correct re the Fearsome Foursome. #1 of the FF is the 4’ right angle ledge – the first drop you come to downstream from the current put-in for running laps.
More FITW trivia for those of you somewhat new to the run… The old put-in for running laps used to be upstream a bit, just above a great boof ledge that was originally named Limbo for a log limbo that was required in the lead-in. In the River’s Tab of PP, this drop is now called Slot Wedge Ledge. From this access you could either do a very aesthetic seal launch into the champagne pool above Limbo (SWL), or walk a short ways upstream to run a fantastic drop called “Slot Drop” (not to be confused with Slot Wedge Ledge…). Slot Drop was one of the more challenging drops on the normal lap run. It and Limbo (SWL) provided the two most classic boofs on the entire run. Unfortunately, both changed for the worse, and (most) people started putting in downstream at the now current put-in. Further upstream, between Slot Drop and FITW proper are two big drops. The upper one is Double Undercut – a corkscrewing plunge into a narrow “pool” with a double undercut. The lower is a fairly straight forward 8-10’ ledge drop that was more often than not blocked by wood. Back in the early days when running FITW started with running the actual FITW drop (no bullet laps back then…), these two big drops between FITW and Slot were usually portaged. You’d run FITW, boat through the little zigzag slot canyon below (really cool), and take out RR before Double Undercut. On the portage you walked past remnants of an old cabin in the woods, which almost certainly predated I-90, and put back in above Slot.
Also, Fisherman’s wasn’t named for “fishing” swimmers out of the hole with throw ropes. Rather, it was named for two fishermen (young guy and gal fishing from the left wall) who were quite startled when kayakers ran the drop unbeknownst to them and plunged into the pool where they were fishing. Now why are we talking FITW in November?! |