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Topic: journalist looking for boaters
Posted By: dmatule
Subject: journalist looking for boaters
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2013 at 12:34pm
Hey guys,

I'm a a journalist at a Seattle magazine. I love kayaking but no one i work with knows anything about it. I'm pretty new to Seattle but it seems like there's some epic water around here. I know the big water season is right around the corner and I want to know who's hitting it. If you're a total badass, or you know someone who's is we should talk. I want to write about kayaking in Washington but I need to do it in a way that's exciting even to yuppies. LMK.
thanks.



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Posted By: WA-Boater
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2013 at 2:49pm
Two Words: Sam Grafton

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Posted By: jP
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2013 at 3:42pm
Three Words:

STOP PROMOTING KAYAKING.

this place is Whitewater Paradise, its true. And plenty of people can tune into it if the sport truly calls out to them. But as far as outdoor recreation opportunities go, whitewater kayaking is still surprisingly under the radar. Personally, I'd like it to remain that way. I'd like to see as many people as possible tracking up all the powder at Steven's Pass and other ski areas. Those are decoy activites to keep people from the real goods: PNW whitewater.

I know I'm in the minority w/ this viewpoint, but the rivers and creeks don't need any more traffic. River's got too many plastic shavings from people dragging their boats, seal launching, littering their half-assed outfitting (mini cel foam) all over after yardsales, ect.

"The industry" is healthy enough to keep inovating, contrary to what others might argue.

I'd say if journalism is truly to serve this sport in a noble way (instead of a parasitic way), it would focus on educating the new comers to this sport (and veteran boaters alike) on how to exist on the river in a more concientious way in terms of how they impact the river, and how they interact with fellow paddlers and locals alike.

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Posted By: not-very-clever
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2013 at 4:09pm
haha decoy activities? more like complimentary activities! 

Dmatule-  JP would be an excellent choice for someone to interview. 

Despite his rather testy post above, he is a wealth of knowledge.  he inspires other boaters in a variety of different ways from frequent "safety meetings"  to river stewardship.... and he shreds the rio real hard.

so my recommendation:  2 letters:  J  P


Posted By: JoesKayak
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2013 at 6:49pm

JP is the Emmet Watson of whitewater.




Posted By: osmelendez
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2013 at 7:14pm
why exactly do you need a "badass" to interview? what do you mean by "badass?"
are people that are passionate about the sport excluded?
unpack your term "badass" for me and I might be able to help you out.


Posted By: osmelendez
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2013 at 8:11pm
I agree with what jP said: "I'd say if journalism is truly to serve this sport in a noble way (instead of a parasitic way), it would focus on educating the new comers to this sport (and veteran boaters alike) on how to exist on the river in a more concientious way in terms of how they impact the river, and how they interact with fellow paddlers and locals alike."
Sometimes the "bad-asses" on the river are the guys running safety.


Posted By: irenen
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2013 at 9:21pm
Hey, I PM'd you with some suggestions.  I guess I have to agree on the badass thing, most people who probably fit the general idea of that term won't think (or at least admit) that they are, and I think the core of the sport at all levels is the people who truly love whitewater, being on the river, and the thrill of the sport - which can require a lot of courage even in Class II and III.
JP, unless there is some fantastic twist of language that can make bouncing hips and head off of boulders in ice cold water and flinging snot all over the river while nearly suffocating in some stupid hole sound as appealing as sashaying across a warm ski lodge with a Faceplant in your hand, then I don't think we will have to worry about hordes of eager people descending on PNW rivers just yet. :)


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Posted By: Travisimo
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2013 at 12:42am
JP I love you man, let's go hit the Ohane...

That said, I remember you posting something similar about keeping Yellowstone illegal to kayak because you snuck in and did it illegally.  You wanted to keep too many people from heading in there.  There was a petition to make it legal and I wanted to post a link, but alas it's over, I signed it!

I respectfully disagree with your point of view.  In order to keep access to my favorite places on earth I will try everything I can to get more people kayaking.  I know you have a vision of kayak lifts and crowded creeks but that's never going to happen in my opinion.  The word "yuppy" also got to you in that post...

As we all know kayakers are much different than skiers.  Don't you think there are natural filters that will keep the masses away from the creeks that we both love like Robe, McCoy, Ohane, Jefferson and the Cispus?  I Don't think they will be crowded... ever.  Even if there were, we would have a leg to stand on to keep runs open.  More voices mean more impact.  Plastic shavings and foam outfitting ruining rivers?  Really?  If groups spread themselves out I cannot imagine McCoy being too crowded to run...  I paddled the Green in North Carolina and it was "crowded" but totally doable, totally different vibe and people from hundreds of miles away were flocking to the only class V available!  It's warm there!  Even in the U.K. creeks aren't crowded and kayakers are literally everywhere.  Kayaking is a class in public schools, I saw kayaks on cars more than here!  I saw more female kayakers in Nottingham over a weekend there than I have in my life here.  Easy runs get crowded but it's a tiny island with no mountains/glaciers!  The season is short except for planned releases, which there are plenty of.  Kayaking is actually promoted.  (Sort of, but that gets into a whole other can of worms, again small island and fishing is weird there...)

Back to the topic started here:
"Badass" kayakers are not like the "badasses" in a lot of other sports, so asking for them is not likely to get a response.  JP is onto something in that respect. 

I really do love that WAboater responded by giving another paddlers name

WAboater: I know I'm not alone in thinking you are the exact person that the initial post was aimed at!  I'd love to see a story about your paddling, I won't say much in public but your profession, paddling skills and attitude about the sport is unlike I've seen in any of the other "extreme sports."

The one thing JP may be missing is that there is a natural filter in kayaking.  Water will humble anyone and plenty of folks trying to become "badass" boaters get turned away.  Maybe something to do with breathing and ice cold water?  There is no money in kayaking, which I think keeps it more pure.  The risk to reward ratio is completely internal.  I love that about paddling.
 
Sorry if I've given away too much...  All this said, the attitude on the east coast was a lot different than here.  I don't want that kind of attitude here but I honestly think that the cold keeps that from happening.  How else could this mecca be so void of paddlers?  I encourage anyone to give it a try, it's the most awesome thing I've ever experienced!






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Posted By: mokelumnekid
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2013 at 8:51am
Fascinating input here. One thing about WA: learning to boat in WA is like learning to climb at Index, not a casual thing. The cold water and the paucity of glory halleluiah fully sunny days (on the westside anyway) keeps the crowds down. The attrition rate among new club boaters is something like 90%. Plus wearing a spray skirt make one look dorkish- no way to glam that up.

Isn't it telling that so little white water gear is sold at REI?


Posted By: irenen
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2013 at 10:15am
Originally posted by Travisimo

Water will humble anyone and plenty of folks trying to become "badass" boaters get turned away.  Maybe something to do with breathing and ice cold water?  There is no money in kayaking, which I think keeps it more pure.  The risk to reward ratio is completely internal.  I love that about paddling.



I love this quote, that is spot on.


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Posted By: osmelendez
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2013 at 12:14pm
I cast my vote in for jP. And I think that  is number four. Interview jP. He has my vote. 


Posted By: dmatule
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2013 at 12:49pm
I sympathize with your views and agree that the waterways everywhere are taking a beating but frankly, I don't think most people could stomach getting into a kayak. Most yuppies might go out a couple times but will give up after their first big swim. 


Posted By: dmatule
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2013 at 1:12pm

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 Being a solid class V master in multiple disciplines is an achievement. 
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You have to be a bit of an individualist in this spot.  Comfortable on your own. 
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I apologize for using "badass," I didn't realize that what I considered such a quick term would cause such a stir. That aside it seems like a lot of you knew the type of person I was referring to: someone that's very good at what they do. The above quote echos my feelings entirely and exemplifies the guys who clean up the river after when I go swimming. In this instance I'm interested in big water guys. Which to quell some of your fears, will probably scare most of our readers into staying out of the water.

Seriously though, i didn't expect this to turn into such a great discussion about the kayaking scene, or force me to consider my own double-standards for the river. Personally, i think kayaking is a phenomenal sport that can really enlighten people to how sacred our waterways are, the more the merrier. But as a Montana native and fly fisherman it drove me crazy to see out-of-staters on our waterways. I am a hypocrite getting more comfortable with the fact that it's everyone's water.


Posted By: Ellingferd
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2013 at 1:36pm
Who cares about someone who is really good? Why is that so interesting to people? What about people that have a commitment to the sport in addition to other life roles? What about those that sacrifice everything for the sake of the sport of paddling and never promote themselves or what they are doing? For every pro kayaker who has an article written about them, there are ten more shredding just as hard in their own way, after or before going to a job, taking care of kids, etc.

The "check out how badass this guy is" mentality of kayaking media coverage in all forms is tired. How about getting an article out that articulates the magic of interacting with nature in your own way so that people can understand the beauty of the sport of kayaking. Maybe this will result in more kayaking, but I think articles like this would get people to think more about anything they do and whether or not that connects them to the world they live in.

Everyone deserves to feel these things in their own way. People just need to understand you have to earn it.


Posted By: osmelendez
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2013 at 5:00pm
@dmatule
I get what you are after now. you cleared it up just fine and it sounds like you have a pretty clear vision for what you want to write about. I'm looking forward to reading it. let us know how your project goes and definitely post when it is complete.


Posted By: osmelendez
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2013 at 5:01pm
by-the-way, what magazine or publication is it for?


Posted By: James
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2013 at 6:06pm
Tell me it's not the for the Ads in the back of the Stranger... I know quite a few boaters that could fit in with those pages .... 


Posted By: WA-Boater
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2013 at 8:21pm
Seriously though - I think Sam Grafton would be an excellent guy to interview. He is a part-time medic/firefighter/river resuce guy who lives in Index - the heart of Washington's whitewater. Paddling is only one part of his life, as he dedicates the majority of his time to studying. He definately qualifies the 'badass' category - paddling the hardest whitewater in the state on a regular basis. His friend Rob would be very interesting, however, you would probably have a hard time with that and regret interviewing him in the end. It would be a lot of work.

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Posted By: Mr.Grinch
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2013 at 8:24pm
Why is "badass" limited to danger? Why isn't ripping the river to shreds in a playboat, displaying pwnership of chosen craft and ability to continuously turn the downriver travel into an atheletic display of expression not something to be elevated?

Isn't the "badass" perspective of only focusing on the gnar what killed the whitewater market a number of years ago, causing Perception and Necky to withdraw?

Isn't the lack of focus on playboating, which teaches loads of boat control and emphasizes having fun on the river what this sport needs in order to broaden the base, help reduce costs by growing the demand and increasing competition for the consumer dollar? All of that while slowing down people jumping the gun on getting in over their heads before the hard stuff is somewhere they should really be?

Side note: I'm all about freedom to do what you want, but when people overstep their bounds, they put others at risk when rescues are performed. I draw that from the surfing camp as well.

The humbling of whitewater is escaped by many because they take the easy way down easier whitewater, running a rapid without trying moves just to make them. Then they declare: that's too easy, I want harder. Make the easy hard, just to gain awareness, then attempt the next step.

As an example, Boulder Drop can be made fairly easy (well past beginner, for sure), but in no way does that mean that just because someone makes it down a few times should they try more complicated runs. Own it, then look for growth.

Anyway, previous stupidity edited out, I still feel that while stories that show the extreme are fun, there's way more to it than that. But modern culture doesn't care.

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Posted By: Travisimo
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2013 at 10:25pm
After the last entry...  I don't know Sam well, but I do think WAboater has a point.

This thread was about writing an article.  No pictures/stories/articles about boulder drop are going to look as good in print as this:
http://vimeo.com/53755060 - http://vimeo.com/53755060




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H2O please


Posted By: TastyWaves
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2013 at 1:12pm
If you're looking for an interesting pitch from multiple angles, how about this:
 
1 - Interview Sam Grafton. If you're doing a write-up on kayaking in Washington state, and you didn't talk to Sam, then you lost.
 
2 - A handful of guys just got back from South America. They didn't get paid to go on this trip, it wasn't sponsored, they went to have an unbelievable experience, and judging by the photos they all came back changed men (and with fiesty mustaches). Talk to Scott Weidlich (Fish on PP).
 
3 - Talk to Darren Albright and Ben Hawthorne. These guys are very driven in another aspect of boating that many like me are totally unfamiliar with, the downriver race. Not only are they two of the most solid boaters you'll find anywhere in the world, but they do it while being fathers and full time employees as well. I think your readers would be stoked to see the kind of glory that can be achieved even if you aren't paid to be pro athelete (WA Boater and Fiddleyak on PP).
 
4 - Talk to Jeremy Bisson. This guy is living the dream (technically in the state of WA). He's living on riverfront property that Oil Magnates would start foreign wars over. And I think he might possibly be crushing the sickest boofs you'll see. He paddles the little white 4-5 times per week, and cooks a wicked egg scramble for his weekend visitors. (Not sure if he's on PP)
 
5 - Talk to Dan Patrinellis a.k.a. the Greek Llama. This guy is a character. He hasn't been paddling class 5 as long as some of the all stars around here but you wouldn't know it, he's out there getting it done wth the best of em'. What's cool about Dan is that he's taking the time to document a lot of what's happening on the scene, and putting together some high quality films at the amateur level. (don't take the Llama reference seriously, its not that kind of flm..) (Tiziak on PP)
 
For me, an article about any outdoor sport that trys to put it into singular focus is less interesting. To each his own. For instance, that Grinch guy got some negative props for his post on playboating, for obvious reasons, but for a lot of people his comments may have been spot-on. If its fun and what you like, who's to say you aren't a sicko?
 
The biggest thing I've learned from my brief time in WA is that there are a ton of characters out here. They've all got their own story, but we all share one thing: we know that when we're on the river, heading downstream, its game on. At that point, nothing else matters. Except safety meetings and drinking your booty beer, those are pretty important.
 
 


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Posted By: irenen
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2013 at 1:46pm
That is a good point about how putting a sport into a singular focus makes it less interesting, I had not thought about that but I agree.  I just wanted to add that I'm with Darren and think Rob would be a super interesting person to talk to, he was one of the boys and girls I suggested in my PM to journalist. Granted, interviewing him would be like interviewing a wild camel and I don't know if the Seattle Met readership is quite ready for him, but I don't think you can have a real article about PNW paddling without Rob.  Not that you can't have a good one with the other people mentioned in this thread, we are surrounded by stellar boaters who fortunately are also fun to boat with.  Have to love the PNW!


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Posted By: James
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2013 at 4:14pm
Dmatule : My suggestion is to give up writing and stick to driving the bus... do you have any idea how many paddlers can fit into a bus, plus imagine if you welded a full length roof rack on the top, you could take everyone on epic road trips... The only thing is that if everyone packed a fly rod you might want to make sure you have alot of spare tires because I am sure you would be getting them slashed all the time... Dang Locals!


Posted By: phil
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2013 at 4:49pm
TastyWaves just delivered a national magazine cover story grade pitch.


Posted By: TastyWaves
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2013 at 12:36pm
just keepin things classy, Phil! Give me a shout when you get back from CO let's paddle

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Posted By: Mr.Grinch
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2013 at 7:49pm
Originally posted by jP

Three Words:

STOP PROMOTING KAYAKING.



No. The climate here is enough of a put off for most people, yet there's plenty of room in the lesser rivers because there's so many badasses, they wouldn't stoop to the easier runs to notice how much room there is for people less concerned with running the sh!t and more concerend with getting outside and enjoying the natural environment of the PNW for it to be an issue. And besides, don't we want a more active populus to support recreational usage of the rivers aside from the fisherman lobby to promote public right to these resources?

Originally posted by jP



this place is Whitewater Paradise, its true. And plenty of people can tune into it if the sport truly calls out to them. But as far as outdoor recreation opportunities go, whitewater kayaking is still surprisingly under the radar. Personally, I'd like it to remain that way. I'd like to see as many people as possible tracking up all the powder at Steven's Pass and other ski areas. Those are decoy activites to keep people from the real goods: PNW whitewater.



To each their own opinion, but from a consumer standpoint, I'm sure the local businesses current (and possibly future) highly differ in opinion. I applaud their measures if, while making a buck, they do the activity justice.

Route 2 does't need any more afternoon traffic be it WW or snow sports related, and I'm differing in opinion than you when I'm stoked to see other people running shuttle on the runs I frequent here, especially when I know I don't know them. Makes me curious. Makes me wonder who I've missed out on padlin with.

As far as overcrowding at the stupid easy spots like Wenatchee Play run, well, I've stalled at TS on a number of occasions and when I timed and took advantage of peak groups as my break, I ended up with it all to myself a few times. Same with paradise except I didn't have to consider anyone else, because nobody was there when it was on anyway. There's room for more, and nobody is going to be creating traffic up a Robe if the community grows and promotes personal growth through technique, reading water, understanding mindset/headspace, and generally fosters responsibility.

Originally posted by jP



I know I'm in the minority w/ this viewpoint, but the rivers and creeks don't need any more traffic. River's got too many plastic shavings from people dragging their boats, seal launching, littering their half-assed outfitting (mini cel foam) all over after yardsales, ect.



Isn't the solution to better educate and promote responsible actions?

I've never seal launched in this state. If I knew of a good one, I probably would have. Or are you referring to getting in the boat all ready to go while high and dry and scooting down into the water? Seal launching as I've learned it is from a height, probably with a dry boof of some sorts. Whatever. Boats wear out due to this, and general running, and rock splats/wheels, desperation runs at low water, etc. And that's a good thing. Though I frown when I think of plastic in the environment, proven to be mistaken for food by wildlife, I give myself the perhaps mislead consolation that due to human created problems, we've had to artificially bolster the fish population for the fisherman lobby anyway, so, we're all living a lie.

Originally posted by jP



"The industry" is healthy enough to keep inovating, contrary to what others might argue.


in surfing, a board that suits a surfer in Humboldt, CA wouldn't be the right board for a similar break in, say, the SE USA. We have cold water year round, and pretty cool temps too, so our boats should have a slight volume increase to account for that. This is more noticeable in lower volume playboats where truth is there is a big difference even two gallons of displacement makes when you factor in full cold weather paddling gear vs a t-shirt and shorts.

It's not all about industry, either. It's about public usage and outcry for domain of these resources. In this area it seems to me like there is room to grow the support base. It's harder for the non boating public to wrap their heads around, comicated as they are, some of the more elegant aspects of river running (well executed eddy turns/peel outs, ferries, and dealing with holes, much less the combat roll), the relative visual simplicity of bombing the steeps on a snowboard is within grasp. It is movement over a generally static plane. Surfing has the advantage over WW due to being culturally engrained since before the 60s, but there's an appreciation in that lifestyle for big waves, heavy waves, performance, and style/grace. WW could stand some of that in the culture, and I'll admit I may be wrong.

I may have it wrong. In surfing, however, one needs no one else. No shuttle to be run, no support. Though it is far less friendly and more competitive due to the limited resource nature. This is where I see WW having an opportunity to grow. Surfing emphasizes fun, overall, and that means differnet things to different people, but the culture supports it all. I want WW to support it all, the act of simply enjoying what one is doing because that is what they want to do. Not to say those pushing the limits in vertical, big water, and play aren't, but it seems the culture is forgetting the base. I may be wrong. It seems there is not enough emphasis on, I don't know how to describe it. Not the mediocre or mundane, but maybe the basics and intermediate? That's not quite right either.

The paddling community and culture here is far different than in the East, north or south, and understandibly. But just because of the plethora of class V does it mean the lower grade runs are worthless. There's room for involvement and for more participation. Room to build the culture/community.

Originally posted by jP


I'd say if journalism is truly to serve this sport in a noble way (instead of a parasitic way), it would focus on educating the new comers to this sport (and veteran boaters alike) on how to exist on the river in a more concientious way in terms of how they impact the river, and how they interact with fellow paddlers and locals alike.


I have nothing but praise for what you said right there.

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Posted By: Ellingferd
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2013 at 6:06am
My last two cents here, in reference to crowding on the Wenatchee, that happens maybe once a season. I can't even tell you how many times I have been at rodeo, trinity (RIP), turkey shoot, walking laps on snowblind, and grannies by myself, and have never seen another kayaker for three or more hours. And it was always at prime flows for each spot (not mediocre playboating by any means, btw.) Compared to the East coast, almost no one kayaks in the NW. Boating in WV is nice in a lot of regards because there is always someone to hang out and paddle with. Sometimes when boating solo on the Wenatchee I desperately wished there were some other folks out there to keep up the stoke. It would be great to see the NW become the model for boating culture given the high number of thoughtful and incredibly skillful boaters.


Posted By: BurningDaylight
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 8:50pm
Cool to see someone talking about all that plastic....Right on jP!  Thanks



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