Whitewater Utopia just got...
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Topic: Whitewater Utopia just got...
Posted By: jP
Subject: Whitewater Utopia just got...
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2012 at 11:10am
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...Safer. Well, as far as this being a whitewater related topic, it is and it isn't, depending on who you are.
You all know I consider Washington State to belong to the republic of Whitewater Utopia (better known as the PNW.) But, apparently, our whitewater paradise just got better for some of us: Washington State voters decided to legalize the ability for whitewater kayakers to provide "safety" for one another. 
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Posted By: jP
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2012 at 11:16am
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Of, course, the devil is in the details, and just as a throw bag intended to rescue a swimmer can quickly morph into an entanglement hazard, so it may proove to be with the passing of I 502.
Personally, I hadn't followed the issue much prior to the election. |
Posted By: osmelendez
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2012 at 6:21pm
Dude... I'm a Christian and I thank God that sh*t is legal. I may end up throwing you a safety rope jP 
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Posted By: water wacko
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2012 at 8:41pm
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And yes, it is now illegal to consume and drive, blood test in effect. ------------- "Don't ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive, and go do that, because what the world needs is people who have come alive." ~Howard Thurman |
Posted By: BIGWATER
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 10:23am
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first of all im proud that WA is the first state to legalize it ! but the fact is WA state has had medical pot for over 13 years now .... its been legal for me for some time now the scary thing is the fine print about DUI on pot .... blood tests .... cheak swab feild tests?!! ..... yes it was always illegal to smoke and drive , but they had no real way to test for it ... now they do will be interesting to see how the Feds respond to this also
personaly i was against I 502.... as a medical pot card holder it does nothing but put me up for possible DUI now .....they should have blood tests and cheak swabs for people on perscription pain killers and anti depresants also ... maby thats next
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Posted By: James
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 10:39am
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I always wondered why they did not name that Bill ... i420 , seems it would have been funner that way. |
Posted By: BIGWATER
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 10:41am
| the real reason its been legalized is so the state can TAX and REGULATE it ..... its all about money .... we will now have a whole new branch of state government that can get into our pockets....and heck they dont even know HOW they are gona regulate it yet ... only time will tell, you wont be seeing joints for sale in your local 7-11 over nite .... it is nice to be in a state that is flying in the face of the federal goverment tho |
Posted By: BIGWATER
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 10:42am
| hahaha I 420 would have been good |
Posted By: thad2000
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 11:00am
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I wonder about those who have federal jobs.. I mean if your working for the federal gov. and you fail a UA you'd probably still be unemployed, I think.
It will be interesting to see how the feds deal with it in general. Perhaps it's part of bread and circuses that it's allowed now. A spoon full of sugar etc. "Oh, upset about corporations buying elections and running over the top of your rights? Here take a hit of this." lol. Ok. enough pessimism. WOOT. Congrats Canibus Consumers! ------------- why not! |
Posted By: James
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 11:04am
| I would never ever even begin to suggest that states fly in the face of the Fed. And we are certainly not doing that here. It is dangerous to even mislead people into thinking such things are taking place. I personally wish it did actually happen but it doesn't, the Fed crushes with a quickness any state opposition or attempt at sovereignty over jurisdiction. Letting people think their states have any level of control when opposing the Federal Government only furthers the dis-allusion that allows greater losses of sovereignty caused by a complacent citizenship. Can we all together Baaaa Baaa like a flock of Sheeples. |
Posted By: not-very-clever
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 11:56am
| baaaaaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaa |
Posted By: BIGWATER
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 12:03pm
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maby a state legalizing, taxing and regulateing a federaly illegal substance isnt flying in the face of the feds..... but it seems like it to me ...... think the feds may try and crush it with a quickness? or maby they will just ignor it ?..... or maby they will follow suit .... hard sayen not knowen ...ill just say Baaaa like a good sheep :) |
Posted By: phil
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 1:05pm
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Hey James -- want to make a friendly bet about whether this is crushed with a quickness?
One year. If DEA or FBI agents have been making pot-related arrests or raids in Washington state, you win. If they haven't, I win. BUT, if there's a negotiated agreement where some of the stuff in 502 isn't implemented (e.g. pot not openly being sold to adults) but possession of <1oz remains legal and pot arrests have dropped to zero, that's still a win for me. Sound like a deal? 
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Posted By: huckin harms
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 1:47pm
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yeah, the state could really use some revenue for education... and I know a lot of folks against increased revenues but this is one place to get it. The whole Fed response will be interesting. I see 'em rescheduling herb which would hopefully decriminalize it on a Federal level. Then states can piecemeal their own legislation as they individually see fit. For the love of God! Nobody has ever died from an overdose smoking or ingesting weed! Its high time this issue gets attention. Proud to be a Washingtonian! ------------- |
Posted By: James
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 2:17pm
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I will be a bit more clear. The issue has not been dealt with at the Federal Level, IE they have not made a determination on how to proceed. When they do that determination is what will most certainly be what the state will abide by. Take for example CA. Read the news or do some googlin to read about the hundreds of legal medicinal growers arrested each year by the DEA. Almost every time all the crops are destroyed, property seized and the suspects arrested or detained for long amounts of time, only to have federal charges dropped. So let me now ask you this... when the local police assist the DEA in raiding a person abiding by state law, even though the state might not make any charges or even prosecute who is demonstrating Sovereignty ??? |
Posted By: jP
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 2:31pm
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Originally posted by BIGWATER
scary thing is the fine print about DUI on pot .... blood tests .... cheak swab feild tests?!! ..... yes it was always illegal to smoke and drive , but they had no real way to test for it ... now they do Yeah, like I said, the Devil is in the details and while the DUI thing sounds sensible enough, are there any statistics to warrant this? I mean, driving drunk has a proven track record of taking lives, but pot? If anything people are likely to drive more carefully, seems to me. These sorts of details make I-502 (which SHOULD have been called I 420-- I feel cheated) a mixed bag. Originally posted by James
Letting people think their states have any level of control when opposing the Federal Government only furthers the dis-allusion that allows greater losses of sovereignty caused by a complacent citizenship. I totally agree with that, and cite it as the key sentence of your post. Originally posted by huckin harms
yeah, the state could really use some revenue for education... and I know a lot of folks against increased revenues but this is one place to get it.The whole Fed response will be interesting. I see 'em rescheduling herb which would hopefully decriminalize it on a Federal level... Its high time this issue gets attention. Proud to be a Washingtonian! Gotta agree with that, too. But truth be told, at the end of it all I'm fairly neutral about the whole thing. Unfortunately, as others have pointed out, I fear that Government will manage to leverage it to people's disadvantage, and the revenue will probably not get to its intended source. If the teachers I know in this state get raises, well, then maybe there will be a silver lining to the taxation and other bullsh*t soon to come pouring out of this Geni's Lamp. But America seems to have a weird "war on teachers" fetish, so I'm skeptical. This country seems hell bent on being as stupid as possible. Hmm. I gotta go look in the mirror now
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