Wood update for green river gorge
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Topic: Wood update for green river gorge
Posted By: dseal1983
Subject: Wood update for green river gorge
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 12:16pm
| Three of us paddled the Gorge yesterday 1/26/12 at around 2400 cfs. There is a lot of wood everywhere. Every slot in the Nozzle was full of wood making it a mandatory portage. There is a good eddy on river left just above the slots. This wood significantly increases the consequences of any mistakes in Mercury as a swim would be extremely dangerous. Most of the other wood is managable, but some is in the middle of standard lines and requires some creativity. |
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Posted By: James
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 1:44pm
Posted By: jP
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 6:11pm
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Ok--
dseal1983: you just stole my thunder, bro! Just kiddin-ain't about thunder, its about informin PPeeps. Got to your post just now n fortuneately I don't need no internet to Read Water. Got skillz in the bank. Still, its helpful to know what's currently goin down in there so PPeeps can plan a trip. Your beta is spot on, and I added another couple Alerts, and my next post gonna go into detail... Hang tight ------------- 🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋 |
Posted By: jP
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 6:21pm
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This just in.
Yes the Nozzle is Fubar. Big riverwide spanner log cross the center (main) slot and the right slot. One more massive bobber pinned under it, a few feet donstream. DEFINITE PORTAGE. RAFTS ARE fu*kED. kayakers could run the left most skinny slot at 1500, maybe lower, IF a Man Eating Beaver were to get hungry for wood. Probably make a lot of noise chewing. As dseal1983 said, above there the WHOLE RUN IS LITTERED WITH DEAD ENT CARCASSES. Any class IV boaters could dodge and weave around most of it in the no name rapids, but weak class III boaters beware. Watch who you lead down, too- otherwise if you lead weak boaters you may get them into trouble on this run. Now, all them random Ent Carcasses are problems waiting for the next high water event. Lots of stuff that can be paddled around now is potential trouble later on when it moves downstream. Mercury is fine. You MUST eddy out R. Left between it n the Nozzle to portage. Don't swim in Mercury. Nozzle Jam is UGLY. Ok? ------------- 🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋 |
Posted By: jP
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 6:23pm
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Here's the real bad news for you Playboaters:
PARADISE LOST! This time the "Pair 'o Dice" rolled up skull n crossbones: There's a Root Ball uncomfortably close to the eyelash of the Paradise Ledge hole. ------------- 🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋 |
Posted By: jP
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 6:26pm
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A Beaver gonna need a healthy appetite for this meal, and probably super low flows. The tree is stoved diagonally into the Right Wall, with the root ball sticking into the tongue you'd use to avoid the meet of Paradise hole. A secondary stick is pinned under it extending to the slippery lil cave-take out directly across from the service eddy. ------------- 🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋 |
Posted By: jP
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 6:30pm
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Lastly:
Kay's Landing (the lower take out 1/4 mi below Paradise) is Fubar'd. Instead of a sandy beach, when you drift down to the eddy you are greeted by a Dead Ent Massacre, in keeping w/ the theme of the whole run. The early climb up the trail has enuf wood crossing it to make me think twice Bout using it- if you're on the fence, you may opt for taking out at Paradise ledge and dealin with slippery sandstone steepness. ------------- 🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋 |
Posted By: JoesKayak
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 7:14pm
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Posted By: LisaF
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 7:18pm
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I was afraid this might happen after seeing all the trees down along I-90 this week (between N. Bend and Snoqualmie). Wonder if any other rivers are suffering the same fate?
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Posted By: dave
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 8:30pm
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Hmmm, depression is setting in:( ------------- Nomad |
Posted By: BRoss
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 9:11pm
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Damn that sucks! So, back to the "ethics" debate that Grinch brought up.... ------------- "That boated a lot better than it looked." "It always does until it doesn't." |
Posted By: BRoss
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 9:14pm
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"Curse him, root and branch! Many of those trees were my friends creatures I had known from nut and acorn; many had voices of their own that are lost for ever now. And there are wastes of stump and bramble where once there were singing groves." ------------- "That boated a lot better than it looked." "It always does until it doesn't." |
Posted By: jP
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 9:14pm
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Oh yeah- word on the Schlitterbahn is that the Truss is similarly affected. Time will tell as we make the rounds, but ice and wind ain't good for the wood.
...and I'd be careful not to be a Fool for the wrong Canyon right about now. But Robe seems to be ok at the moment, and we always got the Sky and Wenatchee to fall back on. But yes. Today is a sad day for lovers of the Upper Green. I'd say the scalez are tipped way more toward the class IV end of things due to all the other wood dodge'n. So again: Be careful who you lead in there right now. When we lead paddlers of less skill and experience we have a moral and ethical responsibility to not lead them into danger. Other than that, class IV paddlers should have no problem. Just keep those eyes peeled. Lots of dodging and weaving. Even if the Nozzle was clean the rest upstream (between Ledge Two and Mercury) would NOT be fun in a raft. Kayaks of course, can wiggle through. PIPELINE: A few days back, someone mentioned wood on the left. Yup. But not really in play. It is in the riffle zone leading into the top of the rapid. Most water is right of it anyway. Pipeline isn't an issue. The ledge itself is clean. ------------- 🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋 |
Posted By: mokelumnekid
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 9:16pm
| Any info on the Headworks section- was going to hit that Sunday for a qwik in-and-out. Not too likely but you never know...Thanks. |
Posted By: jP
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 9:17pm
fu*kin Sauruman!!
Nice reference, Ben! ------------- 🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋 |
Posted By: jP
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 9:19pm
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Headwerx? No. Don't know. But if you go be careful, be smart, and I'm confident it'll work out. Give us the report if you get in there. ------------- 🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋 |
Posted By: Fish
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 9:23pm
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Posted By: not-very-clever
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 9:24pm
| Also Jp forgot to me mention that there is huge root ball practically directly situated in pair a dice ledge. So no surfing is gonna happen right now. That was bummer because levels are perfect for the wave. Good paddling today Jp, though yes there was a sh*t ton of wood and we had to portage the nozzle. |
Posted By: jP
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 9:46pm
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Yeah man, I had fun boat'n with ya. I mentioned Paradise Lost, but I guess I did kinda skim over it. The river alert actually spells it out better. I posted a few new ones on the Upper Gorge page. Bottom line, as NVC just pointed out:
Don't go drivin to Paradise thinkin you gonna Park n Play. Unless you like class V consequence litterally lurking over your left shoulder while you surf a little hole. You can surf it, theoreticly, but if you peel out to your (surfer's) left, or flip, you have about three or four feet before washing into the rootball. dseal1983 already had the Nozzle alert covered. Way to go. Its just a staple Washington run. Good to get the word out. ------------- 🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋 |
Posted By: scottrichardson
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2012 at 11:05am
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Posted By: STLboater
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2012 at 2:16pm
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thanks, that is a very helpful video ------------- Kayak Academy Whitewater Instructor |
Posted By: JoesKayak
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2012 at 3:57pm
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YUCK! |
Posted By: huckin harms
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2012 at 6:06pm
oooh, that doesn't look good.  ------------- |
Posted By: jP
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2012 at 4:59am
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Bump.
Scott, hope it is ok, but I moved your post here so its collected with all of our other current observations. This thread should serve as the one-stop- shop for all of your Green Gorge beta needs at the moment. Just remember that no internet-scouting or beta can substitute for sound judgement and real, on the water caution. Stay safe on the Green ------------- 🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋 |
Posted By: James
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2012 at 10:13am
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It almost looks like you would have to rope and float a raft or cat boat down to the wood to allow for a beaver hanging mid trim to begin to nibble that kibble. Certainly would have to be a hungry beaver who was used to getting his teeth wet.
With the river getting up to 4k today lets keep our fingers crossed that things get better not worse... 
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Posted By: scottrichardson
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2012 at 2:20pm
| No problem JP, in fact, thanks. I thought I replied to this post with the url but must have forgot to hit publish. Did a seperate one just in case using the title "visual aid" might get someone to check on it... in case they didn't go back to the original. |
Posted By: Fish
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2012 at 6:13pm
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Update: Ran the Green today at 3000 cfs. We put in at the bridge as the park was closed for wood trimming and such. The Nozzle is still the same as the posted video on this thread, and the log spanning the river there was bowed heavily due to the increased flow. I would predict a flow of 6000+ and that log would dislodge easily given its placement. Also, Beavers could easily reach this piece of wood on river right and open this channel back up with minimal effort. Paraside is back, no wood anywhere in the area, get your surf on!
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Posted By: James
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2012 at 7:06pm
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Good to know, but isn't that channel on river left? And that channel is not big enough to get a cat or raft through is it? Just wondering for the cleanup. |
Posted By: not-very-clever
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2012 at 7:06pm
| Yeah paradise!!!!!!! |
Posted By: Fish
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2012 at 9:35pm
| James, i was referring to the main center channel. If the wood was cut on river right, it would open up the middle... |