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  Quote H2Ohta Replybullet Topic: Swift Creek/Thunder(Baker)
    Posted: 09 Feb 2010 at 9:00am
Monk,
I was looking at Swift and I read the write up on Plunge Pool. Did you hike in from Mt. Baker or hike in from the trail head near the confluence of Rainbow? Thunder Creek is one that I was going to go back and look at. How is the access? What kind of flow or time of year would be best? Looks like fun. We tried to enter the gorge below Rainbow falls (looked like 200+ft.) to see what was below but ropes would have been usefulI as this miners trail was pretty steep and worked. I would love some more beta on these runs or others in the area and if you do not want to share specifics online, hit me up at: chrisohta@hotmail.com or 425-466-8370.
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  Quote Monk Replybullet Posted: 09 Feb 2010 at 9:20am
Swift: we hiked down the trailhead near Rainbow Falls, incredibly easy access to the water upstream from the gorge...but it got harder.  It bounces along for a short while, goes through one class 3-4 boulder drop, then over and through a big pinch next to a house sized boulder and into a gorge.  We ran the first gorge, then had to hike around a 35' falls into a log jam.  Tried putting back in, ran a few more, then had to extract ourselves again when we got to another unrunable drop.  I think we repeated that process for about 8 hours, finally putting back in to run the last little bedrock section before the bridge.  It is impressive, and might go some day if things change or the flows are different. 

As for Thunder, I've only ever scouted it at low water, hiking/swimming the thing.  I know of a few folks from B'ham that tried to run it but they put in way to far upstream and had a horrible day of boulder bashing.  From the south side you can drive to a washed out bridge just above the main canyon.  Accessible form the north as well if you have a bike or keys to the FS gate.  Keep going up that road a little ways, bushwack down to the river, maybe a hundred yards, and there you are at the top of the canyon.  Not sure that is the best place to be, but...  I'd probably head over to river right and hike it a little further downstream and put in above the 15-20 footer, if it still goes.

Here are some pics of that one...  Of course, I don't think anyone has run the 20 footer yet, and it would be a shame to get scooped...

http://plungepool.blogspot.com/2007/09/more-cascade-potential.html
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  Quote H2Ohta Replybullet Posted: 09 Feb 2010 at 12:55pm
Thanks Monk!!! No worries about getting "scooped"...just hit me up when you are heading in so I can get some photos and maybe sloppy 2nds.
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  Quote Erik Replybullet Posted: 09 Feb 2010 at 2:05pm
No one wanted a piece of that 20 footer when we were in there.  Had some hucksters in our group too (not me).  Thin line with consequences. Consensus on the gorge was you could rap in on river left for a few good drops, then have to rap back out when things get ugly again. We're talking 100 yds or so.  Most every other drop has some sort of issue.

Owen's info is good.  Access on river left (east side of Baker Lake) was fine.  You can drive pretty close to Thunder Cr (short shwack after the road ends) and access the very top of the gorge where the bridge used to stand.  Bring rope and ascenders for the gorge. And yes, the 2 miles we ran above that were yucky. Broke my boat in one of the mandatory pitons. It was actually decent gradient (200 - 250 fpm) and pretty clean of wood etc. Might have been ok with more water, we were in there WAY too low. Boatable flows on the upper would equate to roosty gorge levels.  The level on the gorge looked good when we were there.

We always talk about Jackman Cr, which is right there as well, and in the Bennett Book.  I think it's rated IV ish? Looks like good access too.
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  Quote H2Ohta Replybullet Posted: 09 Feb 2010 at 2:15pm
Definitely interested in Jackman. We looked at some others on the Westside of Baker Lake. Looked at those falls on Bear Creek (upper, middle, and lower). Many of those creeks seem like they almost go but not really...
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  Quote Monk Replybullet Posted: 09 Feb 2010 at 2:30pm
Yeah, Erik, your "hucksters" are the scoopers in question.
Gotta admit, though, when I heard about the day you guys had out there, I was glad to have not been on the gorge probe mission.


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  Quote SOPBOATER Replybullet Posted: 09 Feb 2010 at 5:13pm
Attempted Jackman Creek some years ago.  At this point the logging around the creek was fairly horrific and access was about as horrific due to gates on the roads and roads in very poor condition.  When I say poor I mean with Jeeps and winches we still deemed it too much trouble.  The creek looked fairly clean from what could be seen on high overlooks, but I would have counted on lots of wood.  However this was some number of years ago and things could have changed for the better yet logging companies rarely take gates down or repair roads that lead to freshly harvested units.
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  Quote jP Replybullet Posted: 09 Feb 2010 at 6:08pm
Originally posted by Erik

Access on river left (east side of Baker Lake) was fine.  You can drive pretty close to Thunder Cr (short shwack after the road ends) and access the very top of the gorge where the bridge used to stand. 
Bring rope and ascenders for the gorge.
 
That anawers the question I was gonna ask- you're talkin bout the Lower Skagit's Thunder, as opposed to it' upstream cousin above Diablo Lake.
 
Originally posted by Erik

And yes, the 2 miles we ran above that were yucky. Broke my boat in one of the mandatory pitons.
  
 
 That last statement makes me chuckle: "Mandatory Pitons". But I hear ya- when you go in to run stuff like that, portaging quickly looses its appeal (if it's even possible).
 
JACKMAN- man,  I'm kinda heartbroken. I was in there on January 15th during that last really good week of rain. I'd run Day creek the previous day (you guys should check Day Creek out next time it gets wet-may be awhile though). Jackman looked like a perfect medium flow, to me. Sure the first few drops looked gnarly- recent landslide activity junked it up for a good 1/4 mile at most. But the road access was good (that day- who knows if and when it will be unlocked again). I had a good feeling about it, though I was prepared to deal with wood. Who knows? Unfortunately the guy I was with wasn't serious about paddling.
 
Moral of the story: Seize The Day. If you're skills aren't up to exploration go run the staples (Truss, Robe, LW, Ici- whatever gets your chops up) until they are so you can confidently venture into the unknown when the weather blesses you with rain.
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  Quote jP Replybullet Posted: 09 Feb 2010 at 6:16pm

I could be wrong but I think somebody with an appetite for (class VI?) could fire up Bear Crk at the right flow- some video star. Sure as hell not me. Maybe the key with that one is to add water and pad it out, then hang on for all of those class V+++ slides on steroids. 'Cause you will be going downstream very, very fast. Otherwise it looks to junky to consider navigable.

I'll wait for the video to come out and watch it at home.
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  Quote Wiggins Replybullet Posted: 09 Feb 2010 at 7:34pm
Jackman Creek Rd has been open for at least three years. The road to the takeout is still gated and so you either have to hike out, or boat down to SR20. Logging continues up there, but the road is kept in decent shape after the snow lets up (not a issue this year). Most of the logging I have seen has been up on the hill rather than downslope from the road. Landslides are common in the drainage, so road conditions and the streambed can change at anytime.
 
I think there are a few runnable creeks left under explored in the drainage. I know of at least one that has a runnable section, but looks like nothing from the road.
 
I am up there fulltime at work now, so if anyone wants to know road conditions give me a heads up and I'll see what I can do.
 
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  Quote SOPBOATER Replybullet Posted: 10 Feb 2010 at 12:21pm
Anyone look at Damnation Creek.  There is some falls up there on that one as well as some other gradient.
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  Quote SOPBOATER Replybullet Posted: 10 Feb 2010 at 12:22pm
Good to hear the Jackman situation has markedly improved.  I have always wanted to run that one.  It sort of is the one that got away when I was in that area.
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  Quote Monk Replybullet Posted: 10 Feb 2010 at 12:25pm
Damnation Creek looks like it has a tiny drainage.  Do you have pics of falls on that one?
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  Quote Monk Replybullet Posted: 10 Feb 2010 at 12:26pm
We should start a thread of wild goose chases in the heart of cascades and see who volunteers...
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  Quote up4air Replybullet Posted: 10 Feb 2010 at 12:36pm
An article I wrote up on Thunder Creek was published in the Creeking (Jan.) issue of American Whitewater. We hiked in from the campground parking lot. More hiking/scouting than I've ever done but well worth the effort in all respects.
More water, please.
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  Quote Monk Replybullet Posted: 10 Feb 2010 at 12:47pm
I did see that article, nice job, but we are writing about a different Thunder Creek, the one that drops into Baker Lake.  Anyone else taken a gander at that one?
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  Quote jP Replybullet Posted: 10 Feb 2010 at 3:14pm
 I like your "Wild Goose Chase" idea. I'd probably volunteer for a few. I've been getting my share though- about 1 out of every 30 trips I do is enough for me these days. It's hard on gear and often isn't very rewarding. Once in a while though you get lucky. These sorts of "S & M" runs are challenging and fun in their own ways I guess.
 
But it's getting to the point where I'd rather just stick to the staple runs- there are so many in this region, and clean whitewater is hard to beat. Bumping up the flows is way scarier and more challenging to me than elfing my way down something like Deception Creek. I mean, it's not like was going to run the class VI drops in there, or even all of the class V's.
 
Then again with a name like "Damnation Creek", how can you resist? There are other creeks I'd be willing to check out just because of their names.
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  Quote SOPBOATER Replybullet Posted: 10 Feb 2010 at 5:32pm
I do know of one that has yet to be run but would be a beautiful goose chase.  I did a decent of Glacier Creek on Mt. Baker with Ben Stookesberry about seven years ago.  We put in at damn near where it falls off the glacier and is pretty much just water going down a scree slope.  The trip was not really all that noteworthy other than the encounter with a gorge known and marked on maps as "glacier creek gorge".  I spent a long time scouting it (as in days and days on foot with rope).  It is one of the most facinating canyons I have ever seen.  I deemed it is probably runable (runnable by me now that is a different question), and would not be surprised to hear that someone has.  Yet, I have a sneaking suspicion that it has been left.  It is extremely narrow and deep.  It looks alot like the dipper creek gorge.  The rock is a strange striated basalt.  From what I could see the drops are big, powerful, and clean.  It is however extremely intimidating due to the confinement factor.  So there is what I know and would be happy to fill in anyone on the details.  I don't care if I ever get "scooped".  If someone runs it I would love to know what else is in there.  So come on you bellingham hucksters, send your most couragous warriors if there are any left among you after peering into the belly of this beast..  Someone should run the damn thing, I think that would be rad.
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  Quote justin Replybullet Posted: 11 Feb 2010 at 12:19am
I'm not a huckster by any means, but I've heard about said creek while listening to Ben and some other Hamsters talkin' after they showed Hotel Charlie up here. I'm pretty sure it is still unrun, but a much thought about canyon.
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  Quote Wiggins Replybullet Posted: 11 Feb 2010 at 3:44am
I would say Finney Creek should also be included in this conversation. If someone figured out how to put in below where Korb turned back, I am 95% sure there is a run in there with the amount of water that runs through that creek. Unfortunately all the easy access points are above Gee Creek.
 
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  Quote Monk Replybullet Posted: 11 Feb 2010 at 8:51am
Yes, the Palisades gorge you refer to is indeed a sweet looking crack in the earth!  You've obviously spent more time than me looking at it, I've just hiked down to the entrance.  I know of at least one Bellingham huckster that has looked at it a bit, but as you say, gonna take people dangling into the gorge on ropes just to set safety.  I saw it at what I would say were reasonable flows, which means I could walk the creek above.  The rock is part of the Nooksack Formation I believe, old metamorphosed sediments, and quite beautiful.  As far as I know that one has been left alone.  I'd even volunteer to carry someone's boat down to the entrance move!

Here's a link to a photo of the gorge that I shared with Todd...

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  Quote jP Replybullet Posted: 11 Feb 2010 at 12:19pm
Wow! that photo is truly SICK!
So mysterious
 
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  Quote up4air Replybullet Posted: 11 Feb 2010 at 12:48pm
That pic is surreal!
More water, please.
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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 11 Feb 2010 at 1:54pm
That is awesome and scary the 10' or 150' ?? Looks we need that night vision camera and trained Bat after all ...


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  Quote ThrowYaMittsUp Replybullet Posted: 11 Feb 2010 at 2:18pm
That's F-in sweet!

I've always wondered about that canyon. I figured for all the sweet canyons we go into that are not labeled on the map, this one has to be epic. Never took the time to check it out though.

Might be a good spot for a hike this summer...
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