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  Quote Wog67 Replybullet Topic: multi use kayak.
    Posted: 30 Jul 2007 at 6:51pm
Hey all,
 
Got a co-worker that is looking for a multi use kayak.. I guess since I started doing this I became the resident expert? Anyhow, she wants a kayak that she can maybe hit a lake and up to say a class II river. She likes to be able to pack some gear (beer, wine, camping gear?) anyone got a suggestion.
 
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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 30 Jul 2007 at 6:54pm
Dagger Crossfire... Thats a pretty cool little kayak.

I was looking at one the other day used for $250 but luckily held off and had car problems .

I have heard about people running the drop in them.

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  Quote jalmquist Replybullet Posted: 30 Jul 2007 at 8:43pm
The Crossfire was the boat du jour back in the mid 90's when you'd surf the Wenatchee and blitz the Cascade in the same kayak.  Perfect for rivers and suitable but likely a bit frustrating on flatwater for someone with some ww kayak control.   If they're not comfortable with ww kayak paddle technique and control, a rockered boat will be a bit challenging and tippy on both mellow rivers and flatwater.    
 
Back in my paddle shop days we quickly learned that most folks who claimed they wanted one boat to do "both" usually never spent any time learning WW technique.   If we put them in an older style river kayak - one we might use for such cross functions -  they struggled on both flatwater and rivers.  If, however, we put them in one of the pumkin seek shaped recreational kayaks, they were all grins on flatwater and going down rivers.  Noticed I said "going down" rivers.  Not much eddy turning, ferrying, or play going on in those boats...   
 
So, the question is...  Are they willing to put in the effort and go through the learning curve to aquire some basic river paddling technique?  If so, the crossfire will be fun on the rivers.  If not, they'll be happier in something that tracks straighter at the expense of river play.  Its that cake and eating it scenario...  Speaking of which,
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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 30 Jul 2007 at 9:12pm
But Jon do you think the cross fire would suit Wog's purposes?

To lend my final approval I would need to know what amount of beer/wine, a bottle or a cask/keg etc.. you never know... a canoe or raft might be best?
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  Quote jalmquist Replybullet Posted: 31 Jul 2007 at 8:55am

The Crossfire should hold plenty of liquid cargo.  And with that being the case, who cares if a neophyte can't paddle it straight and keep it upright.  Neither will you...

In all seriousness, any whitewater kayak - new or old style - will be a challenge on moving or flat water for someone not willing to progress through the basic learning curve.  Just like skis - doesn't matter whether they're new, short and shaped or old, long and straight.  If you don't learn how to ski they're not a great way to experience snow.   Learn and reap the rewards.  Don't learn and you're better off on snow shoes - or in this case a rec (wreck) kayak...
 
 
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  Quote ashleygoesdisco Replybullet Posted: 31 Jul 2007 at 10:44am
www.jacksonrec.com

Jay Kincaid had two at SRK the other day for us to look at. They're awesome, as far as rec boats go. Lots of room for storage, and I believe they come with a beverage/whatever-else-you-need-in-front-of-you tray. Very handy. Comfy. You can get them in PINK.

Edit: I wouldn't paddle them on anything other than class I, but like Jalmquist said,  there really isn't a good boat for both.

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  Quote Otter Boy Replybullet Posted: 31 Jul 2007 at 1:31pm

Looks like you gotta have one humongous sprayskirt to fit on the Jackson rec boat!

 
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  Quote Wog67 Replybullet Posted: 31 Jul 2007 at 1:46pm
Thanks for all the information. I will print all this out and let her have the info... I myself would rather do both if I wanted them.. One for lollygaging about and one for ww.. But people tend to want to be able to do both... Its almost like wanting a race car that will work like a jeep..
 
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  Quote ashleygoesdisco Replybullet Posted: 31 Jul 2007 at 2:05pm
Originally posted by Wog67

Its almost like wanting a race car that will work like a jeep..


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  Quote Wog67 Replybullet Posted: 31 Jul 2007 at 3:14pm
Touche Ashley... I stand humbled...
 
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  Quote Chuck e fresh Replybullet Posted: 02 Aug 2007 at 12:08am
I like !!
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