You guys are ridiculous.  Hey xrtmln.... don't listen to these guys.  Their panties are in bunch b/c there isn't much whitewater around at the moment.

Isn't Emily Jackson like 16 hugo?

I dig my Dagger Crazy 88 as a playboat and it's hard to beat the Pyrahna Burn as a creeker.  There are tons of good boats out there.  Tobin has a Project 52 for sale.  It would be a great playboat to start with depending on your size.

I would recommend getting a playboat b/c once you learn the basic again you will want to start (I assume) learning to cartwheel and stuff.  And running rivers are just more fun in a playboat.  They are aggressive compared to a creeker or river runner but if are wanting to get into the sport you'll want that.

Emily is 17, and being a pro boater chic that hangs with a bunch of pro boater dudes, she is probably 17 going on 25...

Hugo how old are you?

You sound like an old dirty kayaker I know with a nasty hairy dog.... you don't shave his balls and let him clean your plates do you?

Whats with the Emily bashing anyways. Think of how rough she has it .... Really. A young girl growing up in all the different boating communities. Every day hanging out with a bunch of poor dirty kayakers that are sizing you up like the soft glazed portion of a christmas ham. Not to mention they roll in that huge Jackson RV and when its raining you know every boater at the campsite is trying to cop a sneak of the color tv in the popout living room where its dry. Give her a break hugo.

Use the code that I used when I was a hitman ... no women no children.

James isn't stirring the pot, he is right.

If you aren't out there with the goal of selling Jackson kayaks, you downright aren't doing your job. That is what being sponsored is, it is a job. That is why I left their company, was because I felt I could no longer, with good faith, tell people to buy their products and still take their boats.

Do you think he is wrong? If so, how?

I'm not talking about whether he or ww or anyone loves or hates or is neutral about a given company. Just whether or not you think he's off base about the rules of engagement when someone is sponsored. Along those lines, what do you think would happen if someone like ww (just for discussion purposes) publicly suggested the Habitat as the best creeker with a statement like "yeah, my sponsor makes a great playboat, but I suggest people getting into creeking get a Habitat...". How long do you think that sponsorship would last if word got back to the home office? Do you think that kind of scenario might influence what a normal person might or might not say?

I suspect most sponsored folks find a niche where they are plugging for a company they believe in - so I do not think there's anything fundamentally dishonest in people pitching their sponsors' products. I do think, however, everyone benefits when the relationship is front and center out in the open. And ducking and dodging around the issue is fundamentally dishonest IMO.



Edited by spindrift - 08 Nov 2007 at 8:41pm

Best thread ever!  Keep it going...

Wow, WW, why did you remove all your posts and replace them with emoticons? Are you trying to hide what you said?

Also, since you're sponsored, I would think you would be proud to disclose your affliations with JK and SRK to the people on PP. I don't get it.

I'm simply tired of smelling this thread. PC bravery ruins another thread and disgusts another paddler.

Alrighty, good.  With all that out of the way, we can get back to the real issue....Emily is still hot.

Willy. You got it right. I looked at all the local shops and not a friggin one had any Yamaha boats. Whats up with that? If only Yammie put out kayaking boats. I wouldn't have any problems knowing wich one would  be best. haha. As far as this thread goes... I don't get what all the fuss is about. In my other sport if your good enough, you get sponsorship. If you get sponsorship you push it like a crack peddlar to keep it. I say push push push whomever is backing you. From all the responses to my origanal post here and from pm's I don't see anyone trying to pull a fast one on a newbie. I have been floored at how willing this community is to help out!

This thread is hilarious really.... If you read through it you can see everyones affiliations because they all clearly talk about who they work for... its great really! I think at least... It means you are getting to work in the community you love and you should want to share that. I think this is all really more about the fact that if you want to share that you should not try to do the political both sides thing and deny it when your asked. If your proud your proud. I have heard James talk about PP and I have heard people behind his back ridicule him for talking about PP....OooPs sorry dude. Heck a few years ago on a different forum someone here gave him a pretty good piece of shit for doing a similar thing. But in the end I think people appreciate it. Its enthusiasim for the interest we all share. People just want to be assured that it is genuine. SRK has done well because of that and it is great for our community. Notice I don't get to drop the companies name I work for here.... well you know what ... screw that stop by the safeway in Fife and I will bag that shit for ya anytime on the weekdays between 7am - 4pm! But you know what I can't give you any discounts or really benefits. But really the point is you all should be really happy you get to participate in a community that you have so much passion for. When you do what you love you always do it best, and when you do it the best people will always love what you do....If we find out Emily Jackson was assaulted at Skook we will all know to look for hugo! =Dout

Now we know who to blame for dry spells. ;)