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dblanchard
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 Topic: River recommendation query-class II rafting w/kids Posted: 15 Aug 2010 at 12:49am |
I can't search the fora very effectively from my phone, and too many of my search terms are less than three letters long.
What are the river recommendations for class II rafting w/kids?
Criteria include:
class II, some waves, but nothing too big
Within about an hour of Snoqualmie (exit 25 on I-90)
Reasonable put-in/take-out
Fairly clean of wood, good visibility of stocky spots, etc.
We'll have three 12-14 foot boats, 1:1 kid to adult ratio, or better, and each boat will have a capable guide.
The Cle Elum looks good, http://www.americanwhitewater.org/content/River/detail/id/2095/, but a comment from yesterday, http://www.americanwhitewater.org/content/River/detail/id/2095/#tab-comments makes me rethink it.
If anyone is interested in joining us, we are looking at the 28th this month. Also, I'm trying to source three extra PFDs for small kids.
Thx,
D
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dblanchard
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 Posted: 15 Aug 2010 at 1:18pm |
Forgot to mention, we've done the Powerhouse on the Snoqualmie a few times already and are looking for something new.
Thx,
D
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dylan
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 Posted: 15 Aug 2010 at 7:58pm |
Your pretty limited if you only want to travel within an hour or so of Snoqualmie. There really isn't anything in that drainage that won't be painfully low.
I'd look toward the Skagit.
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JoesKayak
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 Posted: 16 Aug 2010 at 8:30am |
The Yakima river from the Teanaway confluence down to Thorp is a great run for kids. Only a few easy class 2 rapids. Nice scenery. And ample water until the flip flop occurs in early september due to releases from Cle Elum dam.
I'm pretty sure its in the Bennett book. Access is pretty easy too.
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JoesKayak
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 Posted: 16 Aug 2010 at 8:33am |
Of course you'd have closer options too if it wasn't August, like the Club stretch, and upper MF. Even the SF can be rafted if the wood situation is good and you have at least 800 cfs, but the takeout kinda sucks for rafts.
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dblanchard
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 Posted: 17 Aug 2010 at 7:05pm |
Thanks for the feedback. I'm considering the McMillin to Puyallup section of the Puyallup River, http://www.professorpaddle.com/rivers/riverdetails.asp?riverid=543, but there is little beta on the page. I may have a chance to run kayak it before our trip on the 28th, but would still like some input if anyone has any.
The gauge currently reads 2140 cfs, with a little climb over the past week. The page lists 300 cfs as the minimum, though that is probably a minimum for kayaks, not rafts. I hope it will hold through the 28th. It is controlled at the Electron Dam west of Mt. Ranier, but I don't know what their schedule is, or how to find out.
Can anyone tell me when the Twin Falls to 436th St. Bridge section of the S. Fork Snoqualmie comes in? I know that is like asking for a far-distant weather prediction, but any guesses would be great.
http://www.professorpaddle.com/rivers/riverdetails.asp?riverid=604
Also, I'm not sure how to estimate run time based on distance and average gradient. For instance, the McMillin to Puyallup run is 6.1 miles, with an average gradient of only 12 fpm. Barring any delays on the river, would this likely come out to a few hours (3-4). We'll be rafting, and I know that will impact the run time differently than if we were kayaking.
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D
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 Posted: 17 Aug 2010 at 10:07pm |
The NF Stilly has a lot of II and a lot of water in it this time of year.
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dblanchard
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Thanks, which section of the NF Stilly?
Moose Creek to Oso is too low, and I don't see any other class II section.
The SF has a couple class II sections, Deer Creek to Mallardy, and Granite Falls to Jordan, but they are both low also.
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D
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JoesKayak
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 Posted: 18 Aug 2010 at 8:02am |
The SF Snoqualmie will come back in whenever it rains enough. Usually sometime in October. Fall flows will be real spikey and rise and fall fast. Usually has more stable flows (doesn't drop as fast) during later winter rains.
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 Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 4:41am |
South Fork Stilly from GF to Jordan would be too low and slow for a raft, in my opinion. I barely bumped down in my sit on top Frenzy kayak several weeks ago.
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dblanchard
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 Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 10:41am |
Thanks for all the great suggestions and advice. I've added a bunch of runs to my watch list.
It looks like we'll target the SF Snoq. to start with. It is close to home and should be fairly clean. I wish there were something nearby that we could enjoy in what remaining warm weather there is this summer, but the Powerhouse will see us through and we'll have a new run to look forward to in the fall.
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 Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 10:52pm |
There are a couple youtube videos of the puyallup and white rivers from last summer
Puyallup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBbtYjG4Hc0&feature=search
White:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK0RKTHIlwc&feature=search
I was looking for class II rivers to run I think I will go to the white on the 28th
Feel free to e-mail me if you ever want to do a run together.
jerath23@hotmail.com
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 Posted: 20 Aug 2010 at 6:59am |
The Sky from Sultan to Monroe or Goldabar to Sultan. It's only 1+ with gravel bar rapids, but ir is runnable in late summer. Lots of sandbars and such for picnicking and swimming. There is a shorter stretch from the fishing access just outside of Monroe to the boat ramp in Monroe. We take our kids on it all the time and they always have a great time.
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 Posted: 22 Aug 2010 at 8:55am |
The Sky is alright. It'll be scrapey on the gravel bars this time of year though. You won't want to hear this but I'd suck it up, pack the car for a 4 hour drive and come to the Lower White Salmon. From Hussum Falls to Northwestern Lake is the best stretch of Class II in the state of Washington.
Here's why:
-away from roads and relatively secluded -very beautiful and scenic -very channelized, deep CLEAN class II (the Suiattle by comparison is basicly class II with class V hazards) -two or three rapids barely have a class II+/III- distinction, yet are easily navigated by who ever is guiding the raft- un aided. -nice little surf wave about halfway down -fascinating natural history to share with your kids
here's the drawback: It's short. only 2 miles at the most. But hey, if you pack a picnic, there are a few beaches along the way to stop and lengthen your trip.
seriously- I haven't explored much class II on the OP, but throughout the rest of WA, I've been largely un impressed.
The Lower White Salmon is some QUALITY class II.
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Lower White Salmon sucks. Sorry JP.  It has about 1/2 mile of good stuff...and what's there IS good...but then it ends with a mile or more of flat water including paddling out on a lake. Also, unless you know of a spot I don't, there's no place to launch a raft below Rattlesnake ledge so you start out with a pretty stout drop, definitely bigger than class 2. It's a OK run, I guess, but not one I'd drive 4 hours for. Maybe 1/2 hour.
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Too low now, but great for winter thru June is the NF Lewis. There is one rapid that is either 2+ or 3- near the end of the run. Besides that the rest of the run is class 2 and has fantastic views of waterfalls.
The only downside is the access at the put-in is a bit of a grunt to get rafts in, but I have done it. If you have a few fit adults to help you wrestle boats down you should be fine. Take out is EZ.
http://professorpaddle.com/rivers/riverdetails.asp?riverid=493
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dblanchard
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 Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 2:33pm |
We are too spoiled here with all the water we do get. I'm really asking a lot to find class II water within an hour of my home, in August no less.
I really appreciate all the suggestions, and in coming years will take advantage of them. The one-hour perimiter is not a hard and fast restriction, but four hours is too far. My kids hate the car, not that I wouldn't rather be somewhere else myself. Still, I love the White Salmon from BZ Corner down and I look forward to when my kids are older and more experienced and we can run bigger stuff.
I have settled my mind on waiting for the SF Snoq to come up with the rains, and maybe running the Beckler (to the bridge) and Sky (RR Bridge to Big Eddy):
http://www.professorpaddle.com/rivers/riverdetails.asp?riverid=587.
http://www.professorpaddle.com/rivers/riverdetails.asp?riverid=591
I'll try to get out and explore these this fall, but feel free to add any beta you may have.
I also haven't done the Cedar yet and that is pretty convenient for me. To bad I can't have my runs in sun, but I'm happy to have so much around me.
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On the Beckler you can count on wood portages... oh wait... I see you actually mean the SF Sky starting at the Beckler. yes, that is a very nice class 2 run.
The Cedar can be nice in fall for watching the migrating salmon. Some time in October they start dumping more water from the dam. I've taken people down from Maple Valley to the Cedar Grove road bridge for salmon watching trips. It's class 2, the main hazards are just shallow water and river bends where most of the water go towards the bushes and overhanging limbs that takes some skill to keep away from.
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