I know this is pretty sick... I mean do we really need a special forum for thefts and such.

I think we do. Here is why.

We have a ton of thefts I can think of at least 4 or 5 per year with my friends alone. So if we start documenting these we might recover the gear better and maybe we could establish some type of pattern.

I dunno ... I just want to keep track of these because they are important and should have a separate place for discussion.



Edited by James - 19 Feb 2007 at 11:20pm

They might get stolen too! 

I know, not funny.  Didn't we have a similar convesation about the parks around the Green?  I'm waiting for Wiggins to jump on this one!  Kyle, do you like to get in on the beat downs?  haha j/k

I haven't done any research on American Whitewater if they have anything like this but it couldn't hurt contacting them about it.  It has to be a problem everywhere.

How sweet would a Split Rock wave or Paradise Ledge cam be!   ...until the next flood.

Yeah, that would be bad ass. How about camera's like the security ones were you just get the footage right from the camera. I dunno either I just really really Hate meth heads. And I use hate with not only intent and passion but strongly as well. I had an advanced elements stolen from my back yard when I first moved into gold bar. It was a wicked awsome I.K. And don't get me wronge not all cops are egotistical power hungry abusive inhumaine self lowthing vain ignoriant .... hole eater's. ( Doughnut whole eater's ) I've known at least three that actualled cared about there fellow man! oops did I say cared... I wouldn't want to offend anyone. But I know Everyone as well as me, Love cop's.

The connection is the costly part of this equation.

To me it seems like there are two options here depending on what problem you are trying to solve.

If the problem you are trying to solve is the theft/meth-head problem, a camera that collects evidence that can be used in a forensic analysis is a (relatively) cheap solution.  You don't need a great deal of power and you don't need a live connection to the internet.  You could take a statistical approach and post signs at a number of put-ins/take-outs that state that the area is under surveillance (even though, in reality, only a subset of places have cameras) and have a deterrent effect across a larger set of sites.

Now then, if what you want is to solve the theft/meth-head problem *AND* have an ability to see what the river looks like in real-time, you are looking at a different and more expensive solution.

Or maybe we could just pay the meth-heads to watch the cars.

Don't bother with the video camera. It's a waste of time. If you catch a clear image of the perpetrator committing the crime, the police won't do anything.

A friend's motorcycle was stolen and his car broken into while it was parked in his apartment's garage. The apartment had video security cameras throughout the place so it caught the perp's vehicle and their faces. I saw the video tape and the images were very clear. The cop took the video tapes as evidence. Months past without any news. My friend called the Everett police to find out if they apprehended anyone. They stalled and stalled. Finally a police officer admitted that they hadn't done anything with the video tapes since the tapes had to be analyzed by their forensic video expert so that an arrest warrant could be issued. Unfortunately, their forensic video expert was so overwhelmed by video tapes from other crimes that property crimes ended up in "it'll never see daylight" file.   

There was a similar case in Tacoma a few months ago. In that case, the police wouldn't even take the video tape into evidence. The business owner was so upset that he contacted the TV news media who showed it on TV. The images of the perp committing car prowling was very clear. The Tacoma Police reluctantly had to go back to the business owner to pick up the video tape, but I bet it ended up in the "it'll never see daylight" file.   I've been told that the police have now instructed their officers to collect all video tapes as evidence so that the video tapes can go immediately and directly into their "it'll never see daylight" file and not be a possible source of embarassment to them as a "do nothing" law enforcment agency.    



Edited by Ronin - 21 Feb 2007 at 10:13pm

that was the anw. I was searching for. Nice... I forgot though all the security cam's arn't to protect people it's to protect the insurance agencies. I keep forgetting our society so funked up! I mean America rules! Whole E Crap i need to go paddle!

Edited by Chuck e fresh - 22 Feb 2007 at 11:11am

When I was a kid, my buddies and I would just drop a baggie of dog food when a mean dog chased us. Maybe we should just tie little bags of meth to our antennas so the meth heads get so distracted they forget rob us. I wonder if Wiggins can get us some from the evidence locker.

What about wiggins...I have my middle finger up now!!!!

Just Kidding.

or am I....


Edited by James - 23 Feb 2007 at 7:16am

Just checking this thread out due to my recently stolen boat. Here's my 2 cents about the "all cops suck" rhetoric: while I'm instinctively inclined to agree with many of your points that continually get espoused, I can't go so far as to make BLANKET statements. Cops are human beings in a profession like anyone else. I do think the profession in question is fundementally flawed on very many serious levels, But so is the health care system. It's flawed to the core. But that doesn't mean there aren't individuals within the system sincerely working out of a sense of duty, and trying to change things for the better. You can't say ALL nurses and ALL doctors are bad just because the institution they work in is FUNDEMENTALLY FUCKED.

Edited by wetmouse - 27 Mar 2008 at 1:32pm

Cameras won't do crap. The reason is not that the cops won't do anything with the footage (most places that we use to get on the river are slow enough the cops don't have a ton to do, and they would probably know who tweak was), but that any electronics left out will get stolen.

Edited by Wiggins - 27 Mar 2008 at 11:45pm

I saw a great ad on TV the other night for anti drug abuse blah blah blah...  it showed the picture of a nice looking couple while playing the actual 911 call of the two reporting that they were lost and freezing to death. The sub title told us that they were also high on meth and were later found dead. Fantastic I thought! Two less folks out stealing my stuff to support their habits, and it didn't require me getting any camera gear or hungry bass with lasers! Perfect. Now, make it legal cheap and affordable and I won't have to worry about the next meth head busting into my vehicle for my stuff again. Together we'll solve the drug problem- one dead meth head at a time.

I cannot believe some of the shit that some people post and believe that it is okay. Captain Bill, I understand your point but you have made your self sound like such an ignorant $%#*. I agree that stealing of gear sucks but how the hell do you even relate that some one dying? If your point was to sound cool, you most certainly do not. I do not know you, but I cannot believe that you would even post that. Have some respect for yourself.
Chris Ohta

Edited by H2Ohta - 31 Mar 2008 at 5:09pm