Boat giveaway at PP Ball!
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Topic: Boat giveaway at PP Ball!
Posted By: irenen
Subject: Boat giveaway at PP Ball!
Date Posted: 19 May 2010 at 10:57am
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Dan (tiziak) asked me to post this for him since he is neck-deep in Professor Paddle ball prep. Here's the official scoop on a great swag opportunity that I believe will be done via raffle at the Ball:
Charles from AquaSports Kayak Shop in Redmond is teaming up with Pyranha for the Matt Thomas benefit at the Professor Paddle Ball. Together they are giving away the winner's choice of a 2010 Pyranha Burn or a 2010 Pyranha Molan, the new playboat which is getting rave reviews - any size or color of either boat. This is a great opportunity to get that brand new playboat or creekboat you've been wanting, and help out one of our fellow kayakers at the same time!
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Posted By: rokmnky
Date Posted: 19 May 2010 at 11:11am
| I believe the boat is going to be auctioned. We want to try and raise the most we can for Matt and believe that would be the best approach. |
Posted By: irenen
Date Posted: 19 May 2010 at 11:33am
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Can we PLEASE get some feedback from kayakers (all of you reading this) who plan on going to the ball?
The two scenarios Dan and I talked about for the boat giveaway were a) an auction for the boat, or else b) having a separate raffle for it. Raffle ticket prices we talked about were $10 each, or 3 for $20, or 5 for $30, or 10 for $50, that kind of thing.
The kayakers I've talked to have liked the raffle idea best since everyone has the exact same chance to win and it's not dependent on who has more money. I personally am biased because I'm not the personality type to bid on a boat, but I would definitely fork out for raffle tickets, especially to benefit a good cause - however, maybe that's not the best way to go about it, I have little experience with this stuff except for what I personally like.
It would be GREAT to get some feedback from other kayakers as to what they think would go over best and be most likely to raise money for the Matt Thomas benefit, so if you're reading this and would like to share your 2 cents worth here please do - thanks! ------------- It's all fun and games until someone loses a paddle. |
Posted By: jP
Date Posted: 19 May 2010 at 12:00pm
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Well, if raising money for a charitable cause is the sole objective, the auction may best accomplish that. Then again, kayakers are for the most part not the kind of people to (be able to) throw money around, and I suppose that a raffle could easily raise the equivelent amount:
Let's say someone would bid as high as $750 for a new Burn.
If everyone spent $20 bucks on raffle tickets individually that would mean you'd need about 38 people to raise about the same amount.
Granted some people will buy more tickets to increase their odds.
thinking this through I think a raffle could do the trick. Personally, I don't have the cash to outbid some of you folks with well paying jobs. But I could at least buy a raffle ticket or three, depending on how my tips are next time I transport livestock.
Someone feel free to take this logic further or shoot holes in it...
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Posted By: rokmnky
Date Posted: 19 May 2010 at 12:05pm
| Absolutely, please through in ideas. Dan and I and others were discussing it last weekend and there are valid points either way. We just want to help Matt as much as possible. |
Posted By: Wiggins
Date Posted: 19 May 2010 at 12:13pm
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If raising money is the main goal and not making it a potential door prize for the ball then why not open it up to online raffle purchases like what was done with the First Descents raffle last year. This would open the raffle up to a larger audience. I, for example, am stuck doing something else this weekend, but would buy raffle tickets.
I realize that it might be a little late in the game to get that coordinated.
Kyle ------------- I smell bacon |
Posted By: Aukija
Date Posted: 19 May 2010 at 12:20pm
| Raffle tickets will more than likely bring in more money, and like jp wrote i would buy some too but bidding is not in my budget. |
Posted By: irenen
Date Posted: 19 May 2010 at 1:23pm
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Hi Kyle, I agree the online sales would have been great but unfortunately things got rolling a bit late to get that coordinated this year. But it's helpful to know you would have bought tickets, I did for the last Matt Thomas raffle too. Thanks, Irene ------------- It's all fun and games until someone loses a paddle. |
Posted By: James
Date Posted: 19 May 2010 at 2:27pm
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--- Historically --- No question that Raffle tickets if sold online would bring in more money (I helped tobin, I know- its way more work too), raffle tickets at the live event will not however bring in more money, I also know from experience from both sides(raffles with boats and raffles without). The boat auctioned will more than likely bring in between $700 - $800 as JP mentioned. I highly doubt your going to get 38 folks buying in at $20. More like 10 or so at the $20 figure and around 20 or 30 at the $10 figure that might even be on the high side considering a lot of people will enter the normal raffle since the odds are much better. Having a side raffle with buy in options ie 3 for 20 or 10 for 50 is totally contradictory to the anti-auction argument as the folks with money to risk now have exponentially better odds. And as Adam mentioned the primary purpose is to raise money for Matt!!! --- Personally -- If indeed enough people do buy raffle tickets to even approach the boats value then the odds would be so high that I would rather buy all my tickets into the standard raffle where there is going to be tons of things being won and the odds are good. |
Posted By: Aukija
Date Posted: 19 May 2010 at 4:04pm
| I would not buy a raffle ticket thinking I was going to win a boat just like I don't buy 50/50 tickets at Silvertips games because I think I am going to win, I buy them to support a cause. Typically an auction brings in only 60% of the value of the item being auctioned. I would think that raffle tickets would be a better way to have people contribute, those that have more money of course can increase their chances by buying more tickets, but everyone has the opportunity to feel like they are contributing, which is what a community does. My vote is raffle. |
Posted By: CEEMGEE
Date Posted: 19 May 2010 at 4:40pm
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I second the above and vote for a raffle.
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Posted By: irenen
Date Posted: 19 May 2010 at 6:15pm
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Thanks for your feedback everyone, I'm for whatever works. ------------- It's all fun and games until someone loses a paddle. |
Posted By: rokmnky
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 7:16am
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One of my concerns with raffling the boat is that we already have a raffle for the rest of the swag. Besides the obvious confusion with 2 raffles. People will be coming up with a budget to spend on raffle and would for the most part rather spend there money on a chance for a boat than a guaranteed smaller prize(s) in the general raffle. I think that this would overall yield a lower amount since the alternative is that everyone spend their budget on the general raffle and 1 person spend the big money on an auction. It's not necessarily about how much the boat brings in but how that also effects the rest of the fund-raising by redistributing funds. I'm not a math major but this was my thought process. |
Posted By: thedave
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 7:54am
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beyond what's already been stated here, the problem with an auction is that it's only of interest to people who are in need of a new boat, or people sitting on gangsta cash and love to throw it around. *if* it just so happened that i was about to throw down dollars on a new boat, i'd be happy to get in a bidding war. after all, i'm still getting a new boat, and the money is going to a good cause. i just wonder how many people happen to be in that place. however, it's likely that i'll buy a ticket at the ball just because i like it when the odds are stacked against me, and that i don't mind dropping a 10 spot toward a good cause. |
Posted By: shrek
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 1:12pm
| Kayakers dont have gangsta cash. If they did they already spent it on beer and gas. Raffle ticket that MOFO. |
Posted By: jP
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 1:17pm
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Good points all- I'm glad I'm not closer to the decision making process. I don't even have Gangsta Coin, much less Cash- but it the boat is raffled I will try to find a way to invest in both raffles... if the boat is auctioned, well, I guess I won't be able to participate in that one. Still, I don't have a strong opinion either way. ------------- 🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋 |
Posted By: jP
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 1:18pm
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Posted By: Yotes
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 1:53pm
| Not only that, but two posts in a row with a total of three lines of text between them! Where's your usual wordiness!?! |
Posted By: jP
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 1:56pm
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Maybe Fisherman's flushed all of the words out of me during last Monday's highwater FITWah run!
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Posted By: jblum
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 4:53pm
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I'll bid $20 on the boat... but that's as far as my cash is going. You don't get it from me. I'll give you $20 for a raffle ticket... you get my money... seems pretty easy. We could make it a "bid-raffle" where each time someone buys a ticket, the price they have to pay to win the boat goes up.. like those sh*tty online auction sites. That way, you keep raising the price of the boat and the only way to win is to not win the boat. Doesn't that make sense... that's how I lost all my money on swoopo... ------------- JHB |
Posted By: water wacko
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 9:32am
| I'll buy some raffle tickets. |
Posted By: irenen
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 2:17pm
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Hey Adam, I think my thought was that on the one hand it would be silly to have $5 raffle tickets for an $1100 boat, and on the other hand if I pay $10 for a ticket I would prefer to know I'm not going to end up winning a pair of nose plugs, or something like that (slight exaggeration, but you know what I mean. :) So going just by what I'd personally be likely to do, I'd be fine paying $5 for one raffle ticket and then $10 or $20 for tickets for another raffle in which I know for sure if I win I'll get a new boat - and if not, no big deal, especially if it's for a good cause anyway. But that's just me. I'll be fine with whatever works and keeps people happy, if you do go the raffle route I'll do what I can to sell some on Saturday, and if not I guess there's more chance I get to boat. :) Thanks everyone for all the feedback so far. ------------- It's all fun and games until someone loses a paddle. |
Posted By: JoesKayak
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 4:06pm
Just give me the boat and we can end all this pointless debate. |
Posted By: irenen
Date Posted: 23 May 2010 at 12:40pm
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Since a lot of people have viewed this thread I just thought I'd update it - the raffle and the auctions both went awesome last night, James did a great job of auctioneering and Dan and Adam were excellent as emcees, not to mention organizing most of the Ball in general and Adam creating a ramp that I think will go down in history. Thanks everyone who contributed to it being a good time and helping out the Matt Thomas benefit.
(Also, rumors of carnage on the Aplets and Cotlets mission but I wasn't there so others will have to tell that story - if they're talking. :) ------------- It's all fun and games until someone loses a paddle. |