Habitat pre-orders
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Topic: Habitat pre-orders
Posted By: red shack
Subject: Habitat pre-orders
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2012 at 11:08am
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So after years of work our rafting movie Habitat is finished. 35 years of rafting history in the northwest told by legends like Shane Turnbull, Val Shaull, Jeff Bennett and 30 other of the areas paddlers. Pre-orders can be purchased at http://www.redshackproductions.com - www.redshackproductions.com shipping begins may 5! |
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Posted By: jP
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2012 at 12:47pm
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I got the broken link page. That's cool, I'm sure I'll bump into Hans soon enough- I'd like to get a copy if you can catch me when I got some money. ------------- 🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋 |
Posted By: red shack
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2012 at 1:42pm
| that sucks it worked when i first posted it, someone linked it to something, i dont now. if you type www.redshackproductions.com in your self you will get a site that works! i got a discounted version for you jp since you came up with the name and all. |
Posted By: red shack
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2012 at 2:46pm
| thanks Brian! |
Posted By: Fish
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2012 at 9:03am
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Just ordered my copy of the movie! http://habitatfilm.blogspot.com/ - http://habitatfilm.blogspot.com/ We need to get a premiere going up here... Perhaps at the PP Ball this year?? |
Posted By: willfish
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 9:28am
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The trailer looks pretty sweet. The website bills itself as, "35 years of whitewater rafting in the Pacific Northwest", but after watching the trailer I'm wondering if it would it be more accurate to say that the movie covers 35 years of paddle-rafting history in Oregon and Washington? I didn't see any oars, Idaho rivers, or catarafts. Many 1st raft descents in ID and probably a few in WA were done by cataraft. I've always been intrigued by the photo in Bennet's book of the guy in Robe's Canyon in the clunky old-school 14' SB with oars. Is he interviewed? Heard rumors over the years of a cataraft descent of the Truss in the late 90s. The guy supposedly portaged alot of the big stuff, but that's still ballsy going in there with oars as the run just isn't well-suited to it. Is he interviewed? Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the movie has a great story with great footage and nice editing, I'm just curious if it's as much of a comprehensive rafting history as the billing suggests? Thanks, Will |
Posted By: James
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 10:32am
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crank the hip hop gnar gnar gnar ... lol. All these questions about who is interviewed... well they showed at least 4 or 5 people in the trailer which could possibly mean they interviewed quite a few people. Did they interview the bashkaus brothers, did they interview the Beckers, did they interview Slickhorns dad and mum? Clearly not every person contributing to the video can be in the trailer, but the fact that they included Shane and several others shows that they are not focusing on just the last couple years hotshots (hip hop gnar gnar gnar) but rather more of a heritage journey. There was a clip of a cat boat with oars (could be ID) towards the end of the trailer and while you might be right that it is not the focus of the film I would be surprised if it were ignored all together. Paddle Boating is different than Rowing, Cat boats are different than Rafts, but Rafting certainly covers both rowing and paddle boating. The title is "35 years of whitewater rafting in the Pacific Northwest" So why do you want to know why they did not include more cat boats in the trailer? Heck if you want to get accurate about labeling based on the trailer, the flick should be called. "An old dude and a Green Aire" ... Not trying to give you a hard time but it seems like your complaining about things that contradict themselves. Here is a map of what Wikipedia considers the PacNW http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/PacNWComparison.PNG">  Put your little mouse in the middle of what you see on that map, your either going to be around Metaline Falls, (not white water meca, or close too hood river or the wenatchee) I would argue calling that the pacific northwest is not a stretch. But to keep with my nasty trend of rebutles , lets just settle on. "33.2 years of two man whitewater paddle rafting focused on the greater Columbia and Fraser Drainages with additional Footage from outer lying areas within the continent of North America highlighting British Columbia, Washington and Oregon, although Idaho, Montana, Utah, California, Colorado and Arizona might be mentioned" Can we fit that on a DVD box. Wait a minute is this going to be a DVD or Bluray. Can I get it on Netflix or Vudu, because I think the term Video these days includes those forms of media too. |
Posted By: James
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 10:37am
| I apologize I just read my post and it was rude. I don't know what I was thinking but I don't want to edit it because that would be wrong too. So please forgive my sudden outburst. Just out of line... Except for the Netflix part, something about streaming river footage sounds cool. |
Posted By: willfish
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 10:48am
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Brian - I appreciate the quick reply. Given your posts here, Idahowhitewater, etc, you generally seem like a very thoughtlful individual with very similar perspectives on rivers to my own. I am also aware of some of your personal experiences with folks in the movie. I think the latter may have influenced your rapid and oblique reply to my post. I respectfully ask you to take a deep breath and digest the content that follows.... I find the defensive tone of your post to be somewhat out-of-character and am assuming you target a broader audience. Unfortunately, you didn't answer any of my questions. To be clear, my original post is not an attack on the film (if you re-read, you will find several compliments). I asked several fairly specific questions that, depending on the specific answers, will inform my decision to purchase or not. I was/am seeking information on how well the promotional text and trailer characterize the movie's content. Jeff Benett (via his book) and Val Shaull (via personal conversation), made me aware of the two specific instances I asked about. Given that Jeff and Val are advertised as being interviewed in the movie, is it not unreasonable to inquire if those early descents of Robe's and the Truss are included? As for accessibility to information, it is true that it can be very difficult to find historical information, particularly given the frequently transient lifestyles in space and time of those involved. However, many of the guys that logged most of the early raft descents of the gnarlier Idaho runs (as well as a few elsewhere) are still active and are arguably much easier to find than many paddle-guides. As you are aware, Ted Day and Jerry Kiser are active on the Idahowhitewater list. Mark Cramer occasionally posts to that list as well. Alan Hamilton has owned AIRE inflatables since it's inception about 20 years ago. As such, I don't think your claim that information is hard to find necessarily holds up in these instances. That said.... If the makers of the movie made the decision (conscious or unconscious) to focus on paddle-rafting only, that's perfectly acceptable. I'm not judging that decision. I only ask if that's the decision that was made. If there is no content from Idaho...again, perfectly acceptable. If you (or others) could specifically address my questions, I'd be most grateful. Thanks, Will |
Posted By: willfish
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 11:42am
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James - No worries...it's the internet and one must log-in with a thick skin. Some fair and entertaining points, though none of that really pertain directly to my original questions. The inclusion of a map of the PNW gave me a good chuckle. I don't even know what some of the stuff you mentioned is, though I have been accused of being a Luddite. James and Brian - Out of curiosity, why is seeking answers to specific questions to define the scope of a product immediately get interpreted as "complaining" or criticism? Is it because the tone of the political discourse in this country has gotten so far out of hand? Keyboard courage and a personal predisposition to antagonism? James - One of your assumptions is correct...when I move my very large mouse (I'm compensating) to my location on the map, the cursor is close to, but not in, Hood River. Look, I get that alot of the folks on this list know each other and that alot of people boat for the social component. However, two oblique replies making incorrect inferences to my intent and not addressing the specific questions suggest a bit too much of personal interest by the respondents, perhaps? I'm genuinely intrigued by a movie that tries to run down the big names (known and unknown) from the early days. Though I've only been boating for about ten years, I've been fortunate to have boated alot with Val and have shared river time and/or crossed paths with probably a dozen other names mentioned in the video and Bennett's various books. There is alot of awesome history there and alot more amongst the many others with whom I haven't crossed paths. Obviously, a 30 minute film can only incorporate so much content. So, I'll ask again, can anyone specifically answer my original questions fall within the scope of the movie? Good thing I wore my Nomex fleece to work today...keep the flame coming, I guess. Cheers, Will |
Posted By: nahoopii
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 11:55am
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Ordered, and really looking forward to seeing the film. Working on my own plans for a documentary, and really excited to see your work. Thanks! |
Posted By: James
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 12:00pm
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Originally posted by willfish Good thing I wore my Nomex fleece to work today...keep the flame coming, I guess. This I like, well done. I often wished that I could have a Mt. Hardware Compressor made of Nomex... mine looks like a mesh tent from too many campfires. Yea, my post was a bit to much, thus the quick apology, silly silly me. I agree that the photo on Robe's page has many times set me in Awe, and helped soften a BM that might have taken 4 times longer to coax out. If you find my Bennett Book I would leave it alone... I re-read your post again and I still say it comes across as pretty critical and I have nothing to do with the flick. I mean your suggesting the name is wrong, that they did not include the right amount of footage of certain things and then wondering if the title is misleading based on a short trailer. One thing we can all agree on is that my post is the most rude one on the page so far... and for that I am deeply embarrassed. For so long I have worked to be the pinnacle of public positivity and in one fowl swoop I have lost everything... I feel like Jamie Dimon, Blythe Masters and Mary Schapiro all rolled into a Round of QEFree, pretty durn dirty. |
Posted By: willfish
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 12:23pm
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Brian - Guess I should have hit "Refresh" before my most recent post. I'm the guy two cubicles behind you (toothy grin). Nah, I'm just an internet lurker that tends to run solo or in small groups. Last name is Conley....I'm not very successful at staying web-dead, but I do aspire to something closer perhaps to web-comatose...tough to do when asking unpopular questions though, I guess. The guy you're thinking of (boatman that rowed the Truss in a SB) is Will Volpert. After paddle-boating the Truss about 7 or 8 years ago, I quickly concluded that while it was certainly possible possible to row most of it, that there were alot of other places I would prefer to apply the effort. There's good reason that there was a 10+ year gap in between the first oared descent of the Truss and when the Beckers, Volpert, etc went in....the folks that have oared it have definitely earned it. "The most uncool thing you can do is run an inflatable, or god forbid, row. it's just not ever going to be cool in the same way." That's awesome and, never having been one of the cool kids, succinctly explains my gravitation to rowing. While rowing is my preferred form of aquatic locomotion, exploration is my fundamental motivation, so I try to pick the right tool for the job be it cat, paddle-boat, or IK (a bad back and shoulders keep me out of hardshells though). I think your interpretation (paragraph 3) is generally accurate. However, since I was intrigued by the historical nature of this particular effort, I was trying not to jump to the conclusion that "kayakers making a rafting film is gonna focus on the kinds of water kayak culture value". so I figured I'd ask some questions (I didn't even realize that Hans kayaked...just thought he was a bad-azz paddle-boater). I apologize if my original questions were too pointed or implied their own tone. As one that writes mostly technical language, I sometimes miss my own tone. That said, "we havn't seen the film, so none of us can answer." would have been a great original reply. I don't keep up with release dates, screenings etc, but thought I'd seen reference to it being shown somewhere...my fault for not being more informed. Between a full-time job, various volunteer activities, and a couple of kids, I can't keep up with all the hoopla. Ah, who am I kidding....I can't blame that stuff, I didn't keep up even before any of that came along... Cheers, Will C. |
Posted By: James
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 12:32pm
| Will - I don't think that Hans kayaks much if at all. Ryan is a kayaker, and a few other folks in the video are in that cross mixed category. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU6hmgTY76M&feature=player_detailpage#t=14s - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU6hmgTY76M&feature=player_detailpage#t=14s |
Posted By: willfish
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 12:59pm
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"I mean your suggesting the name is wrong" No. While I'm not sure about "Habitat" as a title, I'm not questioning it. Being somewhat simple, I miss all sorts of allegory, allusion, and other literary techniques my 9th grade english teacher thought were important. "that they did not include the right amount of footage of certain things and then wondering if the title is misleading based on a short trailer" Yes. Hence my question to the forum figuring that someone had seen the film and be able to provide an indication how representative the trailer was of the movie. My fault for not tracking release dates etc and realizing that noone has seen it. In other words, if the trailer features 99% paddle-boats and the movie features 99% paddle-boats, it's highly representative. And I probably won't spend the $25. If the trailer features 99% paddle boats, but 10% of the actual movie features oar boats, then I might consider spending the $25. 25 or 30% oar boats and I'll definitely spend the $25. Understand? In my opinion, a film that describes itself as being about rafting history in the introductory sentence and does not include all forms of rafting is mischaracterizing itself. That said, I do not know this to be the case for "Habitat"...my hope is that it does include some of those early oar-efforts. If not video, at least some interviews...just throw us un-cool kids a little bone. If it doesn't, I can certainly understand that films cost money to make, waterfalls sell, and folks like myself constitute a very small market. Hopefully, the producers will similarly appreciate if their movie does not cover a certain scope, that my $25 will be reserved for gas-money to go boating. Cheers, Will PS. The Nomex fleece is called DragonFur: http://www.truenorthgear.com/product_listing.php?path=0_8 It's pretty spendy, but my job-shirt is one of the most comfortable things I own. It is a very dense fleece, so not something I will be packing on mulit-days though. My beanie has tested well so far with embers from several burn-piles. DragonFur meets NFPA 1977 (2005), but my chief hasn't committed to whether or not it's legit for me to where on the line yet. True North is out of Seattle, so maybe there is a factory store that sells seconds up there? Occasionally you can find it on sale at some of the wildland fire supply outfits (e.g. Supply Cache). |
Posted By: TomMarley
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 1:32pm
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This is not a response to any single post here, but a general statement of my impressions.
First, I would like to point out that my name is Tom Marley, just like my handle. Yes, I make an appearance in the movie. No, I have not seen it. I only know what I read on the website (the film's, not this flagrancy). From the http://habitatfilm.blogspot.com - the film's website : "Habitat - 35 years of whitewater rafting in the Pacific Northwest" This does not in any way imply a complete history of all the people who ever stepped in an inflatable boat in BC, WA, ID, OR, noCal, whatever. It is a general statement, and the text continues to divulge details: "This documentary takes you through the late 70's and early 80's with Shane Turnbull during his early years with commercial rafting and into the private boating scene. Pushing forward into the 90's with John Hall and AAA Rafting on the White Salmon River and David Sacquety's private boating exploits. In 2008 the raft racing events spawned a new rush in the whitewater world. From 2008 to 2010 rafters in the Pacific Northwest ventured beyond the guidebooks and explored uncharted territory for rafts." This sounds like it is about a few people who pushed the limits of rafting in (mostly) WA, one of whom literally wrote the book on (mostly) WA. WA is 100% for sure in the PNW. If you think the tagline, which is well below the standard level of hype, is misleading, man have you been caved off from society! It is not possible to encompass every group of rafters in the PNW from the past 35 years, and THIS IS NOT WHAT THE FILMMAKERS CLAIM TO HAVE DONE. It seems to me that they are trying to document at least some of the old-timers' stories and love of the sport. They can only interview people they know or have heard about. If anyone thinks that some people were "missed," then that person should document those people's histories remember before it's lost. ------------- I do not conquer that which is my partner. |
Posted By: red shack
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 4:25pm
| Thank you everyone for all the bumps, positive or negative. in the beginning i inquired with Idaho boaters and nor cal boater if they consider them self's northwest boaters and in ever case they said no we are Idaho and nor cal boaters.the story of rafting in the area took 35 years to write and we are telling it in a hour and 10 mins so there is no way to include everybody. as far as first descents go that is not the story we are telling instead we let the 40 or so people we interview tell that. also there were very few video boaters 35 years ago so we had to role with what old video we could find. as far as the trailer goes it was made before we restored the old footage so yes you will see oars on rafts and catboats and even some paddle cats. if you have more ?'s about history that couldn't fit in the movie please introduce your self to me at any one of the northwest events. rendering begins tomorrow evening then off to the press. it was great seeing many of you this weekend and to see your excitement for the film. |
Posted By: red shack
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 4:29pm
| hans |
Posted By: willfish
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 5:23pm
Red Shack (if that is, in fact, your real name  ) - thank-you for the direct answers. That's awesome you guys have restored old footage. That's what I'll pay to see. Thought I'd read it was 30 min....didn't realize it was an hour and ten. That's a serious effort. To be clear, while I did question the appropriateness of the subtitle/intro based on what I saw in the trailer, there was no challenge or negativity by me toward your overall effort (despite the assertions of others). I look forward to seeing it. Cheers, Will |
Posted By: willfish
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 5:26pm
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Red Shack - forgot to re-ask...is the guy rowing Robe's in the SB in the photo from Bennett's book in the film? If not, any idea who it was? Thanks, Will |
Posted By: water wacko
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 6:02pm
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willfish, Jerry Redell makes a rare raft descent of Robe Canyon in Bennett's book. Don't know if he's in the movie or not. I'm guessing not. ------------- "Don't ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive, and go do that, because what the world needs is people who have come alive." ~Howard Thurman |
Posted By: jP
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 8:33pm
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Maybe he's the dude who always drives by in the red jeep cherokee or whatever and honks when we're at the robe t.o.
Personally, I'd prefer to R2 it. Particularly at Last sunshine and some of the Boofier spots. I got to R4 it once w/ Captain X from T1 to Faceplant. Pretty fun action! ------------- 🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋 |
Posted By: willfish
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2012 at 6:04am
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When I emerged from my cave this morning and was still a bit puzzled by the vigor of some of yesterday’s replies. So I scratched myself a bit, poured me out a bowl of corn chex, and thought….(cue harps and dream sequence): So, let's say I make a film called, "Waterworld - A 35 year history of whitewater kayaking in the Northwest". I promote it with 1) a 4 minute trailer that shows nothing but creek-boating and 2) a text description that mentions specific individuals, but doesn’t describe more universally understood styles or types of whitewater kayaking. Would someone from the Peanut Gallery be out of line for saying, "Hey brah, is there any playboating?”, “ You gonna show footy from when Johnny TwoPaddles threw down that sick doubledicktwister-with-a-super-loop at the SkyFest rodeo in '99?" etc, etc. |
Posted By: willfish
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2012 at 6:12am
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TomMarley - You're absolutely right..."WA is 100% for sure in the PNW." I hope that bit of knowledge helped you pass 3rd grade geography. Since your flair for hyperbole might interfere with your comprehension of the analogy I just posted, let me break it down for you a little further.... Hopefully we can agree that a square is a rectangle. (if not, then have your nursemaid wipe the drool from the corner of your mouth and there is nothing further to be discussed). I make a film called "Rectangles" and promote it with a trailer the shows nothing but squares. There are red squares, blue squares, and numerous other colors, but no other forms of rectangles. If someone questions me about whether other types of rectangles are covered by the movie, and if not, suggests the title is inaccurate, do they deserve a reply such as yours? |
Posted By: TomMarley
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2012 at 7:08am
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Thank you for taking time out of your busy life to insult me on the internet, but I don't much care for troll bait.
Peace, love, brotherhood. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2012 at 7:10am
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All this over a movie title? Also I'm unfamiliar with the doubledicktwister? Does this move require a Happy Thruster? ------------- |
Posted By: justin
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2012 at 8:00am
| Is willfish a troll? |
Posted By: water wacko
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2012 at 8:17am
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Hey willfish, or should I say, Leaf... Hugo maybe?
I think creekboating IS the number one most "universally understood" ?? style or type of whitewater kayaking. What do my non-kayaking family members think of most when they hear the terms "whitewater" and "kayaking" ?? It isn't slalom gates, it's a kayaker kayaking off a waterfall, or at least something white and frothy. You know, your tone is a little unfriendly... friend. We prefer a little more friendly banter around here. So are you gonna buy a movie or what? I pre-ordered mine. I like history, I'm sure Habitat has all the good stuff anyway.
Brett "It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." ~ Theodore Roosevelt ------------- "Don't ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive, and go do that, because what the world needs is people who have come alive." ~Howard Thurman |
Posted By: James
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2012 at 9:21am
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Logan, you don't need a happy thruster to do the doubledicktwister, but it is impossible to do solo. Originally posted by willfish I make a film called "Rectangles" and promote it with a trailer the shows nothing but squares. There are red squares, blue squares, and numerous other colors, but no other forms of rectangles. If someone questions me about whether other types of rectangles are covered by the movie, and if not, suggests the title is inaccurate, do they deserve a reply such as yours? So then what your saying is that Paddle Rafting, R2, R4, etc.. and Rowing are not forms of Rafting? It would be more accurate to say this don't you agree. I make a film called "Rectangles" and promote it with a trailer the shows nothing but various shapes of Rectangles. There are red ones, blue ones, and numerous other colors, but no squares or other shapes. Then some dipsh*t starts arguing about whether other types of squares and circles are covered by the movie, and if not, suggests the title is inaccurate... They deserve this reply. The trailer showed paddle rafting, rowing rafts, and a single clip of a cat being rowed. The title is "35 years of whitewater rafting in the Pacific Northwest". You are arguing that they don't have enough footage of Cats and First D's of people rowing? Rather than get into a further rant, can someone please help me understand this analogy of rectangles because (to use an analogy) I feel like I am listening to Mary Schapiro explain SEC Enforcement Policy... |
Posted By: James
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2012 at 9:40am
| But I vicariously live through my keyboard these days... |
Posted By: water wacko
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2012 at 2:16pm
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http://www.professorpaddle.com/media/photoview.asp?file_id=3933 - ------------- "Don't ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive, and go do that, because what the world needs is people who have come alive." ~Howard Thurman |
Posted By: jP
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2012 at 7:29pm
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Wow. Haven't seen a poo slinging fest around here for a long time. Hell, I ain't even been able to start one. Good job, Willfish:
We got ourselves a case of PP classic here. I can't stop laughing. Sorry, James- I've been slacking lately as the primary poo slinger, so you must've subconciously felt you needed to fill in for me. Well, Mama is a Hobbit and Daddy is a troll. Yall wanna see a troll round here again? Well, here we go. Professor Paddle get ready... "RELEASE THE KRAKEN!"  ------------- 🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋 |
Posted By: jP
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2012 at 7:38pm
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OK, THIS THREAD HAS GOTTEN SO RIDICULOUS.
Willfish, man, you be barken up the wrong tree. But for the sake of entertainment I'll pretend I agree With you and the silly poo you spew... So here goes... Yeah, WTF, Ryan Scott and Hans?!!! That's right! Callin you OUT! 
Where's the whitewater history of Middle Earth? I mean, Hobbits boat, too, ya know. What? You can't represent them? And how bout all of them elves in Rivendell? Most bad ass paddle makers in Middle Earth- one stroke and you can boof three waterfalls. And you never even mentioned them. Tisk tisk, Red Shack. I haven't even seen the film, and I'm disappointed. I mean, what?! You don't have a blue screen studio in the Red Shack? No CGI? Damn. Gandalf is gonna be pissed. Bunch of ents be striding into The Hood right now to hunt down your puny Subaru and fling that sh*t up to Goldendale. AS FAR AS THE TITLE, I haven't even seen the trailer, but supposedly it might be a quote of some Arrogant Bastard. At least that's what I heard. There's more of the Edit Button for ya, Slick! ------------- 🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋 |
Posted By: jP
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2012 at 7:45pm
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Sorry Will. Just some ridiculous humor. Hope it lightens the mood. Its just things got a little blown out of proportion. Sooner or later we'll realize that this medium is inherently suceptible to this. Its silly though- regardless of YOUR expectations of the movie you'd like to see, these guys put their heart and soul into the movie they wanted to make. It took dedication, time, schediling, planning, ect. And they ain't exactly gonna retire from the box office, ya dig?
Dude, there's tons of books on Lewis and Clark. Ok? There's room for more. That's the good news. So if their documentary leaves stuff out, go out and supplement it w/ your own. But to critique a movie you haven't seen is a bit out of line. Even for a troll like me. Oh, and enclosed is a little judicious use of the edit button, just for you, Slick. So there!  ------------- 🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋 |
Posted By: jP
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2012 at 7:54pm
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Nice Teddy quote, Bret. But, while we're on the subject of history, you could personally (along w/ most contemporary boaters) stand to learn a little about your sport's roots. 'Cuz Slalom STARTED IT ALL, kid. Have you seen Kent Ford's video? Just wondering. Cuz I know you love paddling and you said you like history. I got a copy if you ever want to borrow it.
Oh- I wanna run Robe tomorrow. You available? Can't leave 160th PnR till about 2:30 or 3 tho. Just throwin it out there. ------------- 🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋 |
Posted By: jP
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2012 at 8:06pm
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But, I'm still not sure how squares and rectangles factor into all this. Aren't rafts considered "round boats"?
Wouldn't that make cat boats Paralellagrams? I don't know. I was busy drawing naked ladies with super hero capes during 8th grade geometry. One last use of the edit button, just for you Slick: ------------- 🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋 |
Posted By: willfish
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2012 at 7:09am
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Yes, I’m a real person. My full name was requested and I provided it previously. No, I’m not a troll. If I were inclined toward such things, there would have been far more entertaining ways to go about it. Brett....I appreciate the evenness of your posts. You are correct…my last post had an unfriendly tone. I should have just let Tom’s post slide, but I engaged and, in hindsight, wish I’d had more restraint. Two wrongs don’t make a right. The TR quote is one of my favorites and has frequently provided inspiration over the years in asking unpopular questions as well as in my own endeavors. While it sounds like my kayak analogy is a bit off, I can assure all of you that the logical algebra in the rectangle analogy is spot-on. One may substitute for either geography or craft and it works. Whomever cares to keep reading.....We live in a time where people have unprecedented access to an unprecedented volume and diversity of information. Yet people increasingly choose to surround themselves with those of similar interest, reinforce pre-existing positions, and frequently eschew outside ideas. This thread has turned into an excellent example of that. Direct questions should not be confused with tone, accusations, or attack. The world exists in shades of grey and simply because someone has a question does not mean that they're pee-ing all over someone's work. ProfessorPaddle has turned out to be an eye-opening place to ask questions about a rafting movie. Time will reveal if similar questions arise on other web-lists more broadly populated by rafters and where fewer personal connections to the producers and subjects exist. Red Shack....I applaud you and Hans for your effort. My line of questioning was intended to feel out how comprehensive your project is. If you take offense at that, so be it. However, I would expect that by taking on a historical project you anticipated that questions would arise. Since I haven’t seen your movie, I have kept my questions and commentary conditional to give you the benefit of the doubt. If you go back and read my posts, you will also find a number of compliments. You replied directly to my questions and gave as much of an answer as I could expect pre-release. Thank-you for providing a post with substance. Kudos to you for your outreach to Idaho and NoCal. Projects such as yours are labors of love and you appear to have taken admirable steps in telling a portion rafting history. As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, we stand on the shoulders of those that have preceded us and I have the utmost respect for many of your subjects. I look forward to seeing the movie. Cheers
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Posted By: water wacko
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2012 at 7:24am
will, your words still carry a pompous tone. Leaf would approve, but the general PP community doesn't. I would ask you directly to please keep your postings... friendly. Friendly enough that you don't have to pre-post to explain the intent of your posts and that you don't have to post-post in order to tell the one or two folks who responded how they missed your point. JP is our resident sh*t-slinger and he's about all PP's servers can handle. So please... be nice. Make friends. And let's paddle.  ------------- "Don't ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive, and go do that, because what the world needs is people who have come alive." ~Howard Thurman |
Posted By: James
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2012 at 9:10am
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JP is our resident sh*t-slinger and he's about all PP's servers can handle Can I get and Amen, and a Hallejulah!!! I may now step out of that roll and join Will. Will sorry your first question and exposure to the community was a raw dog deal. I think discussing this over and over is worth less and less each time because we are clearly not agreeing on the most basic of understandings. So here are a few last tidbits to consider. Tone, and Intent are very difficult to interpret over the web. We all might have interpreted your post wrong... who are we to determine that, you are the one that wrote it. We can all use a little correction in being slow to blast other people and certainly online when things can be so easily mis-understood. And then to wrap up this point, when anyone, anywhere sees a brand new user making his first post, the thought can either be Troll, or Who is this guy. Neither are good, rather it should be, sweet we got a new friend here. That was certainly not the story of this wild thread. And to play the advocate and close my last post on this thread. It would seem that everyone in this entire thread agrees on how they view your post. That does not mean everyone is right about your intent or tone, what it means is that you might consider adjusting your method of communication because people are clearly not pickin up what you are puttin down. ~ Jp is here so nutty P b Out |