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  Quote Monk Replybullet Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 11:12pm
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  Quote jondufay Replybullet Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 11:34pm
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WOW, Hugo finally speaks using his real Alias!
 
I am guessing that you are refering to me Dave.  What is a real alias?  I see those terms as being contradictory in nature.  Some might call it oxymoronish.  But I realize that you are only trying (very hard) to be clever.  Keep trying buddy, but realize that not only are you wrong, I am in accord with those that think that you are a clown, and not the good kind of clown either.  I know, I know, you can "throw down" in a creekboat on the Middle Middle.  Good for you bro.  Keep blabbing incoherent , irrational and dijuncted (is that enough words to describe you) spray...it must be good for your soul. 
 
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  Quote dave Replybullet Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 8:32am
Ahh, spoken in true Hugo fashion...
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  Quote Monk Replybullet Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 9:26am
Cooper is definitely easier than FITW.

But FITW is great.  Just finished a nice dawn patrol, perfect level for a first time run.
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  Quote slickhorn Replybullet Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 9:58am
Originally posted by Monk

Cooper is definitely easier than FITW.


Really? Man, I've always thought the opposite was true.  Would you be willing to share why you think so?  I guess I run them lowish so maybe that's a factor.

For me, FITW doesn't have anything as technically challenging as Shark's Tooth.   FITW seems like a lot of 1 move drops, and you can bail at any time.  Just my opinion though.

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  Quote jondufay Replybullet Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 10:19am

Yo OC!  good to have you back into the creekboating world!  What are you up to this weekend?

 
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  Quote huckin harms Replybullet Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 10:20am

FITW is just about as plop and drop as it gets.  Class III paddlers can get away with it at lowish flows.  Cooper is a step up, as egress is much more difficult and drops like Norms, Cheesegrater, Sharks, and Voodoo have some beatdown potential.  Not to say that FITW doesn't have that (fishermans), but seems to me Cooper is a step up.  Not to be confrontational Monk... just my 2cents

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  Quote JayB Replybullet Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 11:14am
Originally posted by jondufay

check out NF nooksack horseshoe bend.  great flows late into the summer and tons of great moves.  boating the bend regularly will make you a better boater.  best fish tacos in WA right at the take out at grahams. 



Thanks - will add this one to the list.

Sorry to be such a shameless beta-ho, but if you have any general details like how late into the summer it runs, high-low flow ranges, significant hazards that aren't obvious from the bank - that'd be cool.

If not - thanks anyway for adding this one to the list.

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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 11:21am
I think between Cooper and FITW it is a close call that levels greatly determine. Both creeks can be easy based on the water level and both can be ass kickers at the right water level.

What can't be argued is the cooper is longer and farther from the road. FITW has more gradient stacked back to back.

Lets go do some same day comparisions!!!
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  Quote JayB Replybullet Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 11:39am
Originally posted by Courtney

All of those MA video's from JayB are exactly the type of creeking Jimmy and I used to do back in the southeast.  Where are the creeks like that out here?  The low volume, steep and technical stuff?  Low volume being the main words here.


I'm afflicted with the same disease - loved the low volume technical stuff back there for a lot of reasons.

May be heading back to the Beaver over labor day weekend to get another dose of warm-water, low-volume creeking. Great stuff.

Viva El Beaver!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSKfz6s2LkU

Featuring - the Beaverator...

http://www.vimeo.com/4897157
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  Quote slickhorn Replybullet Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 12:20pm
 
Originally posted by Courtney

All of those MA video's from JayB are exactly the type of creeking Jimmy and I used to do back in the southeast.  Where are the creeks like that out here?  The low volume, steep and technical stuff?  Low volume being the main words here.


I think Cispus Super Slides might qualify.  Also McCoy creek is low volume steep and technical.  I hear rumors of something in the Klickitat headwaters on the Yakima drainage that is chock full of low volume slide type drops. 

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  Quote Monk Replybullet Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 12:57pm
Based on my first run on FITW this morning at low mediumish flows, and a run a little while back at healthy flows on Cooper, I'd completely disagree.  A beat down on Norm's has very low real consequence, just way more spread out.  When you start stacking things like the foursome, and throw in a newby swimming below number two or three, and you are talking potential for bodily injury.
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  Quote jondufay Replybullet Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 1:01pm
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Sorry to be such a shameless beta-ho, but if you have any general details like how late into the summer it runs, high-low flow ranges, significant hazards that aren't obvious from the bank - that'd be cool.

If not - thanks anyway for adding this one to the list.

 
No prob.  First off, there is a great hiking trail all the way along it that is riverside, so hike it if you want first.  You can see every rapid on it, and everything is an easy protage if need be.  If it looks like something that you do not want to get into, the take out (doug fir campground bridge) is the put in for the canyon section which is class III, but great fun.  Here are the flow break downs...
in but high at 2000-1500
****perfect 1500-1100***
med low 1000-750
750-500 low
500-300, in but very low, water lines through everything though.
 
Last summer we boated it in the perfect-med low flows well into August. 
 
The canyon below does not really have a high end flow, but below 1000 it gets to be a bit manky, boatable down to 750ish though.
 
If you are heading up here ever and want to hit it up, there is a great community (Leif would say clique) up here that would be more than happy to put on with you.  You can hit me up here, or check out www.bellinghamwhitewater.org
 
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  Quote huckin harms Replybullet Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 1:29pm
Originally posted by Monk

Based on my first run on FITW this morning at low mediumish flows, and a run a little while back at healthy flows on Cooper, I'd completely disagree.  A beat down on Norm's has very low real consequence, just way more spread out.  When you start stacking things like the foursome, and throw in a newby swimming below number two or three, and you are talking potential for bodily injury.
 
At least the swimmer can walk off without risk to life, climbing out of the Cooper would be a daunting task.  Granted the Coop is more pool drop, FITW pretty stacked, but again its just point it and plop.  Not real technical as creeks go.  But whatever....
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  Quote Monk Replybullet Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 1:36pm
Exactly, whatever.
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  Quote tradguy2 Replybullet Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 2:26pm
What do you guys mean whatever?  I want a good argument.  What is a message board if it is not entertainment?
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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 2:56pm
Whatever Tom! 
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  Quote Monk Replybullet Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 2:59pm
I'd rather be boating than bickering about what is harder vs easier.  They were both fun runs that I would recommend to any solid IV boater looking for a little taste of ledgy action.

Jay B, I second Doof's beta.  If you are the guy I paddled with on the MM a few wednesday's ago, I think that the NF would be fun for you.  Come on up to Bham and join us sometime.

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  Quote huckin harms Replybullet Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 3:04pm

your right... boating is way better than bickering, hands down.  we're totally agreed!

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  Quote tradguy2 Replybullet Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 3:09pm
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your right... boating is way better than bickering, hands down.  we're totally agreed!

I have to agree too. 
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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 3:42pm
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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 3:43pm
Ok guyz ...I'll agree too 
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  Quote JoesKayak Replybullet Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 3:55pm
I've seen alot of bickering on the river. So is multitasking the best?
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  Quote hugo Replybullet Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 4:13pm
Originally posted by tradguy2

Originally posted by huckin harms

your right... boating is way better than bickering, hands down.  we're totally agreed!

I have to agree too. 
 
 
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  Quote JayB Replybullet Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 4:46pm
Originally posted by jondufay

Originally posted by JayB



Sorry to be such a shameless beta-ho, but if you have any general details like how late into the summer it runs, high-low flow ranges, significant hazards that aren't obvious from the bank - that'd be cool.

If not - thanks anyway for adding this one to the list.

 
No prob.  First off, there is a great hiking trail all the way along it that is riverside, so hike it if you want first.  You can see every rapid on it, and everything is an easy protage if need be.  If it looks like something that you do not want to get into, the take out (doug fir campground bridge) is the put in for the canyon section which is class III, but great fun.  Here are the flow break downs...
in but high at 2000-1500
****perfect 1500-1100***
med low 1000-750
750-500 low
500-300, in but very low, water lines through everything though.
 
Last summer we boated it in the perfect-med low flows well into August. 
 
The canyon below does not really have a high end flow, but below 1000 it gets to be a bit manky, boatable down to 750ish though.
 
If you are heading up here ever and want to hit it up, there is a great community (Leif would say clique) up here that would be more than happy to put on with you.  You can hit me up here, or check out www.bellinghamwhitewater.org
 
Jon


Hey Jon:

Many thanks for all of the info - I'd love to hit up that run with you guys, so I'll definitely be in touch in the next couple of weeks.

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