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  Quote Kiwi Replybullet Topic: FITW Sunday
    Posted: 02 May 2009 at 2:38pm
anyone going up there tomorrow?
never done the run before, it'd be nice to know if there was another group to meet up with, to speed up our first run. the forecasted flow is 850, is that too high?
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  Quote tradguy2 Replybullet Posted: 02 May 2009 at 4:54pm
That is pretty high for a first time down.  There might still be too much snow,
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  Quote Kiwi Replybullet Posted: 02 May 2009 at 5:50pm
scratch that, I'm doing the Ohane instead.
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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 03 May 2009 at 9:25am
If FITW was navigable as far as ice on the sides ect... you would most certainly have to hike in the snow. As of earlier this week the road was still buried in snow.
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  Quote dave Replybullet Posted: 03 May 2009 at 7:43pm
FITW, 850? Yikes, scary...soon mighty one soon...
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  Quote Meghan Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2009 at 7:20am
I ran it last week.  Same run with typical yearly wood with one exception.  A drop has changed.  I won't say which but I will say it is probably prudent not to start your first run of the year in a bombs away mode.
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  Quote Guests Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2009 at 8:01am
Why would you not say which one has changed? It's typically polite to share new beta on popular runs.
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  Quote Fish Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2009 at 8:32am
Yes, please share about the changes...
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  Quote Kiwi Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2009 at 8:59am
I read something in the comments on the AW page, one of the first ledges fell apart, so now it's a manky slot that you probley want to portage. maybe that's it?
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  Quote Fish Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2009 at 9:18am
Just saw that warning as well.   I sure hope that we can find access that isnt too far down the run.  I'm gonna head up this week and take a look,  and a lap!
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  Quote Confucius Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2009 at 9:36am
Confucius was just up there meditating yesterday and it still looked unaccessable. Are you sure you are talking about FITW?
Through words and deeds the superior man moves heaven and earth. Must one not, then, be cautious? "Confucius,500 BC"
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  Quote Meghan Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2009 at 9:42am
Snowshoes do fit nicely in creekboats.
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  Quote STLboater Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2009 at 9:45am
Is this a river change that could be potentially dangerous?  I think this is what everyone is worried about, a new pin spot, sieve, piton rock, something along those lines...
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  Quote Guests Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2009 at 9:49am
Meghan- It is obvious how high and mighty you are but could you please share the new beta with your community?
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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2009 at 9:50am
Good to know that its gettin done... sled laps on FITW are always a good work out. Snow shoes... now that's a good idea!!! When we did it we were post holin waist deep with bare feet and speedos on... if it weren't for my poogies it might have been a cold day.


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  Quote JeffR Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2009 at 9:51am
It changed during the big flood back in January. Here's a pic of it at low water from January (this used to be a 5 or 6 foot boof):

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  Quote Guests Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2009 at 9:53am
Thanks JeffR, I appreciate it the pic and the info!
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  Quote Fish Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2009 at 9:55am
thanks for posting the pic Jeff.   I'm curious to see if a boatable line will emerge with more flow. Guess we'll find out soon enough!    Who's got snowmobiles?
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  Quote hugo Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2009 at 10:59am
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Meghan- It is obvious how high and mighty you are but could you please share the new beta with your community?
 
Easy there paddle pup,  reach back and get that spray skirt unbunched, it will be okay.
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  Quote hugo Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2009 at 11:13am
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Is this a river change that could be potentially dangerous?  I think this is what everyone is worried about, a new pin spot, sieve, piton rock, something along those lines...
 
all valid points my young jedi.  i know how unaccessible FITW is, perhpas stooksberry and coombs will venture in there and scout it out for us and give us some beta. 
 
this reminds me of the "broken society" post up here a few weeks ago, funny how many of you all got all fired up about people not taking personal responsibility for thier actions,  yet when it comes to figuring out shit on your own on the river, you get all butt hurt when somebody does not spoon feed you the beta.  Any boater worth their stink knows that it is not prudent creeking protocol to bomb down creeks blindly at the start of season. shit changes, rocks fall, avalanches bring logs down, floods happen.  How is that any different on FITW?  get out of your boat and look at the drops for yer self and make your own call if you think that it is a pin spot, sieve or etc.  don't rely on somebody to make the call for you.  it was nice of jeff to put the picture up and give the beta, but fuck, so what if meghan does not tell us.  take a peak for yourself.  are you not boaters yourself?
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  Quote Guests Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2009 at 11:26am
I always scout FITW my first run of the season....every single rapid. It will be not different this year. But being coy and secretive about beta that is important and pertinent is just irresponsible. I don't always agree with Leif but he was 100% right when he said this community sucks.
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  Quote Guests Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2009 at 11:28am
Especially you, Hugo.
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  Quote cloudpeak Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2009 at 11:31am
So, Meghan posts that she has information that would be useful to the community, but flat out states that she won't share it. Hugo piles on to say that on the river it's every person for him or herself.

Classic PP, the non-community.


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  Quote Meghan Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2009 at 11:43am
No one held my hand when I went in alone.
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  Quote chipmaney Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2009 at 11:58am
i am going to try to bring this chat back to reality.  Yes, Meghan wasn't very nice.  Yes, Hugo makes a valid point but misses the main point regarding community.  HOWEVER, James, Kiwi, Fish, Confucius, and JeffR all turned the discussion into something positive by contributing valuable information to the community.

So sure, some people are just antisocial and don't want to be team players.  However, that does not diminish the fact that many other people who are part of the PP community can interact with other humans in a healthy, conscientious way.  I know, because I have met a lot of them.

Sorry to have be clinical like this and state the obvious, but sometimes that's the only thing that can bring back equilibrium.

So let's go boatin!

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