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   Posted: 18 Sep 2008 at 8:42am |
Originally posted by wetmouse14kayaking2:
I agree there needs to be a revised addition of Bennet's book. I wish it could be just that: a revised addition. I think overall it is a great book full of lots of info that is still rellevant today. It would be great if he could turn it over to a group of people to add and update the info in it, rather than reinventing the wheel and starting a whole new one from scratch.
Then again, maybe the internet is the new medium for such info. as mobile devices get better, more of us are using them in more and more remote places. On the other hand a book is cool because it is truly a stand alone "device"-no need for a sattelite connection that trees and canyons can block, or some weak-ass cellular connection that is unreliable.
Maybe we need to flesh out the descriptions of rivers here on this site. Bennett is aware and interested in revising the book. The only reason it hasn't happened yet is that there is still stock of the current edition. Once it's sold out, there are tentative plans, as I understand it, for a 3rd edition.
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Posted: 18 Sep 2008 at 8:49am |
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Matheny Creek is absolutely one of my top picks for kayaking. The upper is awesome and there are so many miles of good whitewater in the middle and lower sections. I spent my 30th birthday in there and I can't wait to get back....
Here's another link to me getting trashed on the Grays...
http://www.professorpaddle.com/media/videoview.asp?File_Id=2560
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Posted: 18 Sep 2008 at 4:32pm |
1. Yes I would go back.
2. The flow was 1000 dropping to 800cfs.
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14kayaking2
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Posted: 18 Sep 2008 at 8:08pm |
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Damn... that hole is a lot stickier than it looks. Nice work in there. thanks for the link.
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Posted: 21 Sep 2008 at 6:55pm |
Grays River beta...
Jason Rackley's site...Grays River...good write up.
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Posted: 21 Sep 2008 at 8:51pm |
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JP, S Prarie might be on the winter list. I'm up for an Puyallup adventure, too.
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Posted: 22 Sep 2008 at 12:13am |
YO!
Here's one for the list ... Clendinning. SIk rivr, witn out of control scenery. Where else can you paddle rapids running straight outta a lake with ice floating around? Would say more, but just wouldn't do the run justice.
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Posted: 23 Sep 2008 at 9:07pm |
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AWESOME!! Glad to see 'yall adding stuff to "the List" !! And REALLY: for whatever reason, I've actually wanted to do S. Prairie for a while. I guess if there's enough agua, I'll give 'er...
BTW. I have a more covert list, too. More stuff I'm curious about of the class V-ish flavor. we'll talk about those when we meet on the river somewhere... + I really need to do more homework on some of them before I go spoutin off 'bout them!
And I'm into checking out the N.frk Tolt, The Raging allures me... on and on...
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Posted: 23 Sep 2008 at 9:27pm |
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Clendin is looking sweet harms .... those glacier fingers are awesome... any river shots?
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Posted: 23 Sep 2008 at 10:47pm |
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No doubt.
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Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 8:09pm |
Re Puyallup beta...
It was Scott Matthews, Shane Wade, and I, and to avoid the permit we accessed the run via the West Side Road in the park. As it is now, the road was closed at the time, which adds some logistical fun. Somewhere back in the thread archive I noted flow calcs based on online powerhouse diversion, gauge readings, etc. Not sure if that's still around, but yell if you want more info.
Jon
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Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 9:18pm |
uhhh, I want more info!!!
it would be a 2 day trip?
how many miles?
and then where do you put in and take out?
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Posted: 25 Sep 2008 at 7:20pm |
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Yep. Info is good, Jon, thank you so much for throwing it out there-- and for blazing the trail ahead of us. I'd love to run it, logistics be damned.
It's not a two day trip though. Is it? If it is, well, time to start messin with my boat and packing it in my garage.
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Posted: 25 Sep 2008 at 7:25pm |
BTW Mr. Harms: how was that Clendinning run you did? I saw the pics. Looks like it was really low. I mean, not necessarily low from a human scale proportion, but low in terms of the riverbed itself. Like it's a fricking huge riverbed built to convey a shit-ton 'o water. How was it at the flow you paddled it? Big & pushy? Powerfull? Boney? Scrapey? (it didn't look boney or scrapey) What's the F.P.M.? If it ain't terribly steep, how would it be with all them large boulders covered or half submerged? Sick?  Don't bogart that river!
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Posted: 25 Sep 2008 at 7:30pm |
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Nevermind. Just saw your trip report thread-gonna go read it .
Is it even possible to bogart a river? I don't think it is. That's reason # 18936236 why I love paddling whitewater. It never gets ski'd out an you never have to worry bout finding fresh lines!
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Posted: 27 Sep 2008 at 10:30am |
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Hey JP ... what about the Skykomish.. I hear there are a few fun sections up there.... is that on the list? lol
I think I will head right up there today
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Posted: 27 Sep 2008 at 5:47pm |
Puyallup again: By accessing via the West Side Road, putting on on the SF, and then taking out well downstream in Orting, it was a full two day trip. But we didn't need to deal with any permit, and we got to explore some presumably unrun stuff upstream. FYI - there's still a short (half mile?), low-walled box canyon above the confluence with the NF that we opted to portage that's likely awaiting a first descent.
Levels were about 900cfs on the Electron gage, with the powerhouse online. I think diversion through the penstocks was about 400cfs, son in the main canyon we probably had 500cfs or so which felt like a moderate flow.
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Posted: 27 Sep 2008 at 10:02pm |
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thanks again for sharing, Jon. I'm interested in checking that one out!
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Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 9:47am |
so min max flow for that on the electron guage would be like 700-1200? and is there good camping?
no one comes and yells at you in the middle of the night or anything?
meth heads running around
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Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 10:02am |
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how far upstream fom the confluence of the NF and SF did you put in? google earth isn't helping me out.
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Posted: 29 Sep 2008 at 6:24pm |
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We put in where the West Side Road crosses the SF P. Go into Mt. Rainier Nat Park on 706, past Ashford, and head north on the WS Road to the river. As noted above, the WS road was (and I believe still is) closed, so you're not driving boats much past the turn-off from 706. As for camping - we camped somewhere on a nice beach around / between the confluence with the NF and confluence with the Mowich, but I don't rememberrt exactly where. It doens't matter - once you're below the upper box canyon and approaching the NF, there's ample camp opportunities all the way to the main canyon. And the only company we had between the put-in and Electron was a bear downstream of us in the river who wasn't terribly interested in moving out of our way... With the permit fee, there's no mething around up there!
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Posted: 29 Sep 2008 at 6:56pm |
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well I am not going if we can't get some meth and crack. I could go fer being lunchmeat for a bear though....
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Posted: 29 Sep 2008 at 7:03pm |
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Are you kidding? Them washington Bears are some of the worst meth heads anywhere!
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Posted: 01 Oct 2008 at 9:06am |
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are there any other access points just a little bit lower down?
on the wa atlas it shows some logging roads that cut off around 2 miles before the west side road.
or is that on champion international land?
and what was the volume of the puaylip under the west side road?
it comes out of the glacier like 3 miles upstream!
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Posted: 02 Oct 2008 at 6:17pm |
stumped... 
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