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    Posted: 29 Jun 2008 at 9:13pm
  I am out of the game for a while. How long is yet to be determined?
 
I wish I had a great story to go along with the seperation, but basically I over reached on a roll, caught a bit to much water and KAPOW!  (ala Batman)
  Thanks to Adam for putting it back in and walking out with me, and finding a ride, and getting me a beer before himself.
  This is the second time I have done this, the first I didn't follow the most intelligent post injury routine, I basically decided I was tough and it would heal. I sure showed it!
  This time I am done with paddling in pain and having no confidence in my shoulder.
  I have thought allot about my paddling over the past 9 months since the first time I hurt my shoulder, I have been paddling VERY tennatively. I told myself I was stepping down a little to allow time to heal, however I know realize I was paddling scared.
  I had very little t ono confidence in my roll (caused mostly by having no confidence in my shoulder) Thats a pretty bad way to paddle.
  Lesson Learned
  I know this is a frequent topic on the forum, and I have read back through all the advice. Keep it coming.
  This is an Acrimioclavicular seperation ( the 'other' shoulder joint.
 
  Now I can even out my tan and get rid of the shorty neck gasket kayak look.
 
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  Quote sworcester Replybullet Posted: 29 Jun 2008 at 10:19pm
Tobin,

Sorry to hear about your shoulder*@!    I don't have any hero stories either. I have had 2 AC separations, one skiing requiring surgery, and another kayaking (same shoulder).   What grade of separation do yo have? It may be awhile, but there is a light at the end of the tunnel. I've been there. Give me a call or pm me. Steve 360-802-6587
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  Quote Tobin Replybullet Posted: 29 Jun 2008 at 10:26pm
I have no idea what grade it is? I am sure the MD will let me know tomorrow.
 I'll let ya know when I do
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  Quote bronkrdr Replybullet Posted: 29 Jun 2008 at 10:26pm
That's what friends are for.   Make sure you take the time to heal. Man, it won't ever be the same on any river without you out there - but it'll be ten times better once your 100%.
 
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  Quote dragorossinw Replybullet Posted: 30 Jun 2008 at 8:18am
Dude! That Sucks - Welcome to the family of Fricked Up Shoulders!  Take your time and heal well, but on the up side, it gives you butt loads of time to sell butt loads of Boats!  I would say something like, the shoulder thing wouldn't have happened if you were paddling a DragoRossi, but I will not, that would be rude.
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  Quote huckin harms Replybullet Posted: 30 Jun 2008 at 8:40am

TOBIN!  Shisters!  Darn dude, we are bummed to hear about this... wish I could offer better advice than ibuprofen and beer.  We hope you have a speedy recovery. 

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  Quote Tobin Replybullet Posted: 30 Jun 2008 at 9:42am
Thanks guys!
In the words or Arnold "I'll be back"
Really this is what I should have done last August, but my stubborn nature over road my self presevation.
  This time my self presevation is backed up by Ambre's voice (and foot in my ass if needed) 
  And as if to add insult to injury - WOW look at those levels. Trinity is in.
  Who wants to take the Smoothy to Leavenworth for the weekend?
 I need someone t oget it out on hte water more so I can get a better feel for it. My time was somewhat short lived.
  Cheers & Beers (And Ibuprophen, )
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  Quote Courtney Replybullet Posted: 30 Jun 2008 at 9:52am
Man Tobin, sorry to hear about it.  I hurt mine about 3 or 4 months ago and have been taking it easy since I don't want to dislocate it.  Maybe this is payback for taking Anber down and dislocating her shoulder.  (cough, cough).  ;-)  Heal up quickly.  If you just want to get out on the water, we take trips in our canoe down the easy stretches of the Sky off and on throughout the summer with the kids.  It's just nice to get out, relax, and soak up the sun from time to time.
 
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  Quote huckin harms Replybullet Posted: 30 Jun 2008 at 11:32am
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  Quote H2Ohta Replybullet Posted: 30 Jun 2008 at 11:44am
Tobin, sorry to hear about the shoulder.  If you are in the Leavenworth area or would just like to get some advice from a fellow paddler who happens to be a physical therapist there is a local paddler named Joe Aponik.  He works at Cascade Medical Center PT and he is very good as well as having a padling and outdoor recreation background.  The number for the medical center is 509-548-5815 and ask for Joe in Physical Therapy.  Tell him Chris Ohta recommended you.  (2nd thought that might work against you).  Just kidding he is a good friend of mine.  Hope your rehab goes well and as water levels drop the play goes out but the beer-tubing comes in on the Wenatchee so if you want to throw down on some inner tubes later this summer give me a holler.
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  Quote Tobin Replybullet Posted: 30 Jun 2008 at 3:30pm
Mike I'llfigure out a way to get it to you, let me know if you have any ideas.
 
Ohta,
  Beer tubing is my second fav sport, thaks for the advice.
 
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  Quote Jeff Replybullet Posted: 30 Jun 2008 at 5:16pm
Tobin,  sorry to hear about the injury!  That sucks!  But I have a better suggestion the the vitamin I.  Go for the Vicodin.  It pairs well with any alcohol (almost as well as guns and alcohol!) haha!  If you're ever interested in floating the Powerhouse down to Fall City you can actually run some fun II+ stuff in a tube with a beer, and there is always plenty of "scenery" to look at along the way!  Heal up quick!
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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 30 Jun 2008 at 5:19pm
Tobin.... I think I'll give ya a call.

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  Quote dave Replybullet Posted: 30 Jun 2008 at 9:42pm
Tobin, at least you didn't dislocate it using my lost pump!

I did get it back BTW....

My shoulders always hurt, I probably dislocated the right one a few times, but never a separation (ouch!!)

I hope the doctor gives you good grades so you can come out a play more!

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  Quote jP Replybullet Posted: 30 Jun 2008 at 9:57pm
Sorry to hear that, Tobin. Take care of that puppy.
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  Quote Aukija Replybullet Posted: 01 Jul 2008 at 8:22pm
I am in the same boat, I get my mri thursday will see.
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  Quote Tobin Replybullet Posted: 02 Jul 2008 at 8:07am
MRI tomorrow also,
I have my fingers crossed,
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  Quote Tobin Replybullet Posted: 07 Jul 2008 at 8:47pm
The results are in;
I have torn the;
The Coracoclavicular Ligament (ligamentum coracoclaviculare) (Fig. 326).—This ligament serves to connect the clavicle with the coracoid process of the scapula. It does not properly belong to this articulation, but is usually described with it, since it forms a most efficient means of retaining the clavicle in contact with the acromion. It consists of two fasciculi, called the trapezoid and conoid ligaments
 
And a minor (not full thickness tear of the;
The Superior Acromioclavicular Ligament (ligamentum acromioclaviculare).—This ligament is a quadrilateral band, covering the superior part of the articulation, and extending between the upper part of the acromial end of the clavicle and the adjoining part of the upper surface of the acromion. It is composed of parallel fibers, which interlace with the aponeuroses of the Trapezius and Deltoideus; below, it is in contact with the articular disk when this is present.
 
Basically this means I need surgery, for now I am told it will be orthoscopic, and the recovery time and sucess rate is pretty good.
 
Through the educational process, I have learned that, while it is far less common to seperate your shoulder kaykaing it is actually a better injury to have (I know I am feeling the love) the rehab times are about hte same, but due to the nature of the joint and that it actually takes allot less stress, it usually is a semi progressive injury and rehabs much better than a GH dislocation.
 
Mine is considered a grade III

A common injury to the AC joint is dislocation, often called AC separation or shoulder separation. This is not the same as a "shoulder dislocation," which refers to dislocation of the Glenohumeral joint.

AC dislocation is common in sports such as football, soccer, swimming, horseback riding, mountain biking, and biking. AC dislocations are rated in terms of severity on a scale of 1 to 6, 6 being the most severe. The most common mechanism of injury is a fall on the tip of the shoulder or FOOSH (Falls on an outstretched hand).

AC dislocations are also graded from I to III. Grading is based upon the degree of separation o

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  Quote spilly Replybullet Posted: 07 Jul 2008 at 9:47pm
I think this is the same thing that happened to my brother playing goalie in soccer. His clavicle ended up sticking out above his shoulder. They scraped off some ligament from his knee and used it to tie his clavicle back in place. It took a while to recover, but I think it is pretty solid now. Hope all goes well for you Tobin.
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  Quote ashleygoesdisco Replybullet Posted: 08 Jul 2008 at 1:54pm
Tobin. You need to get better fast. Not that I am around to paddle with, but I miss ya anyways. Get better dude.
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  Quote Tobin Replybullet Posted: 08 Jul 2008 at 3:50pm
Thanks Ash,
I'll be out of a kayak for a while.  I need to get this thing fixed up good this time.
There is always rafting for a while.
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  Quote ashleygoesdisco Replybullet Posted: 08 Jul 2008 at 3:53pm
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