Don't fret about this one, this spot has changed so much it's basicly not there anymore. Those photos were taken a few years ago when it was in perfect condition.
I'd encourage you to keep your eyes open and go hunting, I'm sure there are a lot of "secret" spots all around this state that none or very few of us know about. Discovery is half the fun!
Go exploring man, I bet you won't regret it!

Why did I move.... I miss it. Damn flood. There is nothing really there anymore.

Edited by ENDO - 16 Oct 2013 at 12:14am

I have two opinions on the matter.

First because I love to fish I can appreciate keeping "spots" secret although I love to share with friends the spots that produce fish, I don't blab about them publicly. This is for one and only one reason. In the world of fishing more people means more pressure and more pressure means the spot or river/stretch gets trashed.

The thing is that this theory does not hold true to the whitewater world. There just are not enough boaters to make massive lines and impact  the surfing to warrant secrets but I guess you can always plan for that day that the crowds come... and hope in the meantime your spot don't wash away. Even on the busiest wenatchee day you can surf line free if you go at the right time and even during the peak you can still have a blast.

So considering both views, consider this, if you go out explore and find cool runs or play waves and you want to keep them secret for no other reason than to have "your spot" the only cooler thing is to post pics on public places.

There is a sweet fishing website that this photo reminds me where everyone uses MS paint to conceal themselves and the spots they are at... It usually looks like this.



Lastly consider if no one was willing to share, or even more importantly serve other people by helping in areas they have knowledge or abilities in...

I realize they where posted on a public forum... but seriously make the trip south this winter and I will be plenty happy to show some new people down this run. Its one of the most dynamic rivers I have seen.

How kind of you to take your time to teach folks. I could really care less about it either way, I was originally amused when you first posted your secret spot knowing it was probably on the Tilton but never really cared enough to comment until I saw photos like these on a different website and considered the comparison. That is what I thought was funny.

I like the idea of MSpaintin beards and ninja masks for concealment.




Oh and I don't recommend that anyone visit the website I am talking about, it is full of complete degenerates and the lowest possible rung of society talking filth and vile words of waste.

Sorry for coming across as overly preachy. But I do have to ask, have you kayaked the Tilton before? If you have, you've seen this spot. If not, you should, it's a great run.

treat fishes that canyon. he grew up there. he slays and rapes.

JP I'm sorry if someone really wants something to be a secret they wont post it on PP. I have plenty of "secret drops" that I don't post on here or FB because I'm not looking for attention. My point is we have almost no good play in WA The Wenatchee and Sky at certain levels yes but a good year round park and play spot is what the Evergreen state is missing.

Oh I hardly disagree with you, Sam-
The only reason I gave you sh*t is because you seemed so serious, on a thread that I hardly can take seriously at all. I'd say Slickhorn hit the nail on the head. Not hard to get away from the crowds here in Whitewater Washington. In fact, even with standard sized crews to routinely mix and match with, I find it generally a secluded experience (which is nice, and enviable if you were to ask your average east coaster), so when there are big mobs that collect on the Green, Sky, or Wenatchee, I tend to get stoked that there's a crowd and a scene. Its nice now and then.

But I'm not even sure that Wallyworld or whoever posted the pic and titled it "Secret Surf Spot" or whatever really intending for it to seriously be kept secret. I think yall are reading way too much into this after the way Ppeeps may have randomly responded in the peanutTY gallery.

There's hardly any playboating in WA, and hardly any need to keep any of it secret, but who cares anyway? If that's someone's trip let them hide away in their "secret spots" and enjoy their seclusion. We got enough avid whitewater ppeeps roving the region with gopros, blogs, hell some geeks probably already smartphon'n their asses down a run. Dude, MS paint ain't up to the job of puttin that jeanie back in the bottle, and neither is Sherwan Williams, bitch. So any "secrets" out there won't remain so for too long.

There's a short rapid on the Green called "Secret Class IV". Yet, I am always telling whoever I can about it. The reason (according to my interpretation, anyway) that the rapid may have been named that is because it has a coupla class IV lines on R. Right that remain a "secret" because most boaters blow right by it every time by staying in the main flow to the left (gravy train class III). This rapid hosts the tallest boof on the entire run. A great class IV+ move that would be right at home as part of a more complex, class V rapid. So its a good move to hit for those who are "stepping it up" gosh I hate that term. But not many aspiring creekers know about it or hit it up.

Of course Almquist knows about it. Not much out there that flows downhill that is a secret to him. Grinch knows that line too. I saw him crush it about two weeks ago. It ain't no secret that I usually hit that boof. Its just secret because it is overlooked.

Hell I got "secret" lines all over the Upper Green. I wish more people would follow them and dial in the specific "goals" that these little exercises can achieve. I gaurantee that if the average class III/IV boater were to start learning some of these lines and hitting them (in a creekboat) on a semi-regular basis, they would see a marked improvement in their accuracy as it can be applied to class IV whitewater. Let this Cat Out Of The Bag, just to name an example.

And with the Tilton regulars, that's what you are dealing with: some dedicated PPeeps that love their local gem and wish more boaters would come share it w/ them. That's all. People get passionate about what they love.

Happy hour indeed! (A bit late for me)
I'm gonna raise a toast to everyone who posted on this thread.
Cheers!

Edited by FLUID - 18 Oct 2013 at 2:17am

JP and I have similar boating philosophies for ourselves. I don't like being driftwood. But the overall logic is faulty because it's based on the assumption that "everyone wants to step it up". This is simply not true. Not everybody wants to step it up. Some people just want to go out and enjoy nature and the outdoors while they float down the river. I fail to see the fault with this approach. In fact, on specific days I feel like this too, like if I'm sick, or I have been boating hard and just want a relaxing day.

If you want to step it up, then yes, JP's argument is appropriate. However, not everyone wants the same thing out of paddling, and JP's (repeated) position doesn't leave room for someone to have the experience they choose for themselves. Not validating a paddler's choice for his/her own experience on the river is not something with which I can agree.

I'm sure JP understands this but like me struggles to state concepts precisely to avoid presenting an absolute position.

Edited by chipmaney - 18 Oct 2013 at 9:49am

Just for arguements sake and really not because it matters, just for discussion truly!! I don't know Jared all that well but I know he is not a dick and never intended to post a pic to purposefully make people mad, so lets not let it go that direction.

But.. with the discussion of JP and watching on the river... anyone that has spent much time playboating, and uh Oh JP gonna call you out cause a playboater you are not! Soul surfer quite, but little spud boater, nah.. My point? Playboaters that go after it quickly find that features vary massively based on flow... while a feature might be present in a 5000cfs range it might only be primo in a 1000cfs range, and much smaller ranges on most rivers.

What does that mean... well unless you are local on the run or have really good beta you are going to have to do the run at alot of different levels to find all the features and get the lay of the land.

I have never once been in a playboat with others and floated by even a halfway decent wave and not gone after it. Think about it folks. the group hunts down any surfable wave there might be... the only exception I have ever found to this is on a large river where you go to one feature... surf get blown off only to realize you missed one on the opposite side of the river and will now have to go do another run so you can get both of them... but usually it is impossible to make both waves in the same run. Think Thompson or the waves in Snowblind.

I guess what I am getting at is that it is much more common in my view for people to slop down creek runs and driftwood through rivers than it is for playboaters to pass by waves because they are not paying attention.