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  Quote jerryclayross Replybullet Topic: safety talk topics
    Posted: 29 Sep 2013 at 4:22pm
Hey all,

We're working on developing our club's safety talk/pre trip chat topics this week.  We're gonna make some waterproof cards with an outline of the things to do/go over with students before getting in our boats on the river.

Here's the list we've got so far (leaving out the things we would cover in the two pool sessions before the trip on the weekend):
1-stretching
2-river signals (I'm okay/you okay? go, stop, river right/left, point positive, eddy out, whistles)
3-Hazards (rocks, strainers, currents)
4-swimming: defensive v. offensive
5- when to stand up
6-eddy turns (speed, angle, tilt)

Any input on what to take out and/or add?
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Clay and the univ. of Puget Sound kayak club
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  Quote dylan Replybullet Posted: 29 Sep 2013 at 5:55pm
7-when to wet exit
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  Quote FLUID Replybullet Posted: 29 Sep 2013 at 6:58pm

3. touch on if you bump on a rock to lean into it.. they know its a hazard but what to do if I come into contact with one. don't panic, edge boat, lean down stream. it happens in kayaking....ect..

5. standing up should be apart of #4. never stand .crawl up on the beach after swimming.

6. Eddy turns I dont think should belong in a safety talk. this skill is part of the core corriculum.
 
 not sure if this is a full course or a teaser course but I would add
- group dynamics, counting heads, whos sweep who leed ? who has the safety gear, and always look after your buddy behind you.
 
- ropes, how to throw a bag and what to do with rope once you recieve it .. dont wrap your hands around it throw it over your shoulder ect. ect..
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  Quote Mr.Grinch Replybullet Posted: 29 Sep 2013 at 9:12pm
Your ratio of instructor (responsible) to student (reliant) is also very important. Depending on the run, 1:1 is even low. Hard to make that happen, I know, but too many reliants to too few responsibles is a recipie for possible misery at best.

Being realistic of the responsible persons ability is huge.

Then start your list, and the associated progression of circumstance evaluation.
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  Quote SusanB Replybullet Posted: 29 Sep 2013 at 9:38pm
I would add--
1. Wet exits.
2.  Lean into rocks.
3.  Hold on to your paddle.
4.  LISTEN to your rescuer and follow directions (grab, let go, swim left....)
4.  How to catch a throw rope and how to hold on to it so it doesn't strangle you.
5.  Hold on to your paddle.
6.  Safety gear-- your own throw rope, float bags, first aid, ....
7.  Appropriate clothing to keep core temperature warm
8.  Water & energy food
9.  Awareness of one's ability and river class
10. 


Eddy talk isn't pre-safety talk.


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  Quote FLUID Replybullet Posted: 29 Sep 2013 at 10:33pm
[QUOTE=Mr.Grinch]Your ratio of instructor (responsible) to student (reliant) is also very important. Depending on the run, 1:1 is even low. Hard to make that happen, I know, but too many reliants to too few responsibles is a recipie for possible misery at best.
 
 this is behind the secene stuff students dont need to know. UPS is working with volenteer staff and even otter bar doesnt have a 1:1 unless your paying for a private. when we're short an RN in the ER we dont tell patients about how we're short a nurse and its kind of unsafe for a while...this is managment stuff.   it's hard to find instructors all the time for free and in a controlled environment with good insrtuctors a 1:1 is just not necessary.  students in groups of three with one instructor do better because they get pear feed back and group rescue practice and they can learn alot by watching eachother fail and succeed.
 
 Saftey talks are just getting your students to start thinking about important relitive stuff so when there on there own hopefully you have instilled a good set of safety points they take with them for there kayaking career. As an instructor your already thinking safety for them and are three steps ahead however when there on there own and your not there to remind them hopefully you have set a good example. they don't need to know how to organize the class....  they need to be stress free with positive goals in mind no matter how many instuctors they need to feel everything is happening just the way you planned and your setting them up for success always.
 
 The question is what kind of class it really is ? a weekend intro ? a month long immersion course? if its a weekend intro sure talk about wet exits... but if your teaching a course the wet exit is part of kayaking skill and tought in the corriculum and should stay out of the safety talk... my opinion...
 
 you want the safety talk to be bullet points short and sweet , dont confuse kayaking skills like wet exits with real river safety issues and group dynamics.  these are the things your instilling in them for immediate and future safety. you usaully dont have to remind folks that if there out of air to get out of there boat.  most beginners are pretty darn good at the wet exit. almost to good sometimes ;) we need to reinforce the things that are not automatic for new kayakers. things there not thinking about.  touching more on keeping your grab loop out of your sprayskirt and other ways of getting your sprayskirt off might come in handy? but that should be taught through repetition in your pool sessions. on river days have the group check eachother for grab loops out, helmets buckled... keeps them looking after one another and taking safety into there own hands.  
 
 I understand now they have a weekend pool and a weekend river.
 
 keep it like it is except I would do three points
 
 Review as your stretching in a circle-
 - remember the pool skills,  have them tell you about wet exits and getting out of your boat , key points ect... group discussion, keep them engaged.
  - what to do with your gear ?  students have this down after a pool and can explain to you in a group discussion for review.
 
 talk about why stretching is so important !!!!
 
   
 
  A river syllabus of goals for the weekend including
   - edging / balance & bracing drills
 - eddy turns peel outs 
    - ferries
    - S- turns
    - stern draws, sweeps, application of strokes ect..
 
 Then safety talk
  -river signals
 -swimming
   -ropes
   - group dynamics/team work
   - river hazards and dealing with them ect..
   - scouting and setting safety ?
   - my personal fav - good judgment and decision making / risk managment for self and group........
 
  this is just a ruff  idea for ya?? kudos Clay for keeping up on the UPS courses !!
 


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  Quote jerryclayross Replybullet Posted: 01 Oct 2013 at 7:08pm
This is great stuff everyone!  Thanks so much for all the help.  I think some of you are right in that some of this is part of a conversation had by the instructors (ratios, details of logistics, plans for dealing with swims and such.

Typically we do only two types of trips through the university: beginner, and intermediate.  Of course there is a huge range of skill in both these categories, but typically our beginner trips are for people on their first or second time on the river, and the intermediate is our next step class with students needing to have their pool role (hoping for combats roles:) and working on skills while teaching more about reading rivers, and running rapids.

We'll be adding your input to our safety boater conversation this week when we create these "cheat sheet" pre-trip chat cards for our first beginner trip next week.

Thanks all!

p.s. come visit us at the pool Mondays and Thursdays from 8:00pm to 10:00pm.  We're always looking for new people to join the community and it only $5 with your own gear.
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