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Jule
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Topic: The Miracle at Sunset Falls Posted: 18 Sep 2011 at 7:07pm |
Several weeks ago my buddies Kennet and Connor were just messing around on the Sky and decided to attain and walk their way up the river to the base of Sunset Falls, where they saw the most surprising thing happen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz02gAnB_Dk&feature=related
Hallelujah!
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Posted: 18 Sep 2011 at 7:27pm |
Wow! That was incredible - i am really surprised we didn't hear about this in the news, but i guess there wasn't any rescue called in? Considering the number of deaths this year at Yosemite and Niagra Falls from people doing the exact same thing, its good to have a positive outcome. Hopefully huge lesson learned.
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Posted: 18 Sep 2011 at 7:32pm |
Yeah, from what I understand the guy had inhaled some water, but was otherwise completely unharmed. I wonder how often this kind of stuff happens and we just never find out about it...
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Posted: 18 Sep 2011 at 7:36pm |
And that's Connor and Kennet at the bottom there. Their eyes were buggin' out when they saw it happen, and they were probably thinking about how to go about the body recovery. But pretty quickly the guy resurfaced and they towed him to shore, among many exclamations of "Praise the Lord!"
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 8:34am |
Haha, TOP THAT ROB M and all the rest of you guys that use all kinds of pfds and helmets and saftey gear....this guy is the real hero!!!!
If I had girlfriends that cute I would have jumped in to impress them too!!!
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 8:56am |
I'm not a God or Jesus hater. Whatever anyone wants to believe is their business - their life, their choices. This guy is certainly fortunate to be alive in any event.
It is curious though why God/Jesus/whatever, caused him to slip in the first place?? Why didn't God/Jesus/whatever warn him about being too close to the waterfall?
If my grandmother was here, she'd tell me that God works in mysterious ways and we aren't meant to understand it. Still, I find myself asking these questions.
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huckin harms
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 9:27am |
That is indeed a miracle if I ever heard of one....
And Arno, not to get crazy philosophical or theological but here's a one word answer (or is it two?): Freewill
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 10:21am |
I am going to go out on a limb here and say that he probably slipped because he made some poor decisions on where to place his feet. Although I believe in God, I am no official liaison for the almighty but history would suggest he does not get involved in our decision making, but often gets brought into the outcomes.
I know it is far fetched but what if this whole ordeal was his way of giving you more things to question? Questions beget answers and answers beget understanding and a solid understanding should be the basis for quality decision making ... yes? Keep me updated on your quest for the Eternal Answer, I know a few billion people that want the outcome when your done!!! (Grandma would be proud!)
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 11:41am |
http://youtu.be/ho-UTvQmoDg
Sick Jamz though.
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 12:00pm |
Grandma also used to say always wear clean underwear in case you have to go to the emergency room. In this guys case I would say it wouldn't have mattered, they probably weren't clean anymore anyway.
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 12:06pm |
That is just amazing and truly miraculous that he is OK - I also can't believe this wasn't PP fodder earlier on! :)
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 2:23pm |
So god has a hand in saving this darwin award's life, but decides to take the life of my co-worker's 8 month old child? Hmm...
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 2:49pm |
POW: Exactly why I don't think belief systems are a topic best discussed online. The complexity and emotion in the subject makes it hard enough for people to discuss in person let alone on the internet where so much of our communication methods are removed.
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 7:50pm |
James- fill me in on how you know it is a 'he,' a PM is fine. I'm with Arnobarno on this one....
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 9:00pm |
It is conveniece that allows the faithful to credit "god" with good luck, and blame "evil" for when situations turn out less favorable.
The kid is lucky to be alive, for sure. Giving unknown deities credit may encourage people to huck with false promise of safety (a stretch, for sure, but just making a point: sometimes the unprepared are lucky, other times the prepared are unlucky-we in the north east had some people die recently in the floods, and one was an experienced boater).
That's not to mention Boyce on the Payette (where the north east lost S. Forster, a talented 19 year old kayaker).
Experience and dumb luck don't always coincide, and even the best intention of any decision can end poorly if unseen variables have their way.
On the other hand, would the emotional young lady in the video be cursing the devil if the situation had a less than favorable outcome?
In the north east there has been a rash of people overstepping their bounds in whitewater, usually no PFD or helmet in a tube on Cl III, but the witness is the same: non boater people are not respecting the power of rivers and are getting hurt. This is only going to be more prevalent in areas with easier accessibility. That said, the more detached people become from their surroundings, the less they will understand the power of said environments, and the more likely they are to be victims of their own unknowing.
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 11:30pm |
Sorry irresistible here...
According to the Bible why did the Christian God create man? (PM me for the answer, I bet it surprises many)
According to the Bible, yes bad things happen here on Earth, think of it as a test... Ever had a test that had hard question on it? One you didn't want to or couldn't answer?
If a test is easy, is the reward as great as a difficult one?
I try to abstain from such discussions on this forum... but this time couldn't... Anybody wanna paddle the Ohane or Upper Upper with me this weekend? I'll be there
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H2O please
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 11:36pm |
I see my typo and it's embarrassing in this post... "had A hard question"
Can somebody nuke this post and change that so I don't look like the dork that I actually am? I'm guessing that there is no higher power to appeal to than the moderators on this issue On second thought let it stand to show that man is flawed
On a paddling note though... Wow, I've stood there many times and wondered what would happen if that happened. I'm guessing that dude is an awesome swimmer, bouncy and pretty lucky!
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H2O please
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Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 8:07am |
Will you guys please leave it, as I think James was intending with his post? Every single person who reads about this topic has very strong feelings about it, regardless of their opinion, but fruitful discussion almost never happens on a forum like this - it's always one step away from a succession of zingers and one-liners. Please understand that if you're not getting a 'good answer' to your questions from what's being submitted here it's probably because the people most likely to be able to provide insight are the ones least likely to do it on PP - its a crappy place for it. I held off from saying anything yesterday for that exact reason, but this thread is now totally hijacked so what the heck.
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Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 8:48am |
Woah!
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Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 9:37am |
Originally posted by Blair
Woah!
Hey Brair, remember when I called you a "Smelly Pirate Hooker?" Remember that, that was awesome.
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Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 9:51am |
Replace driving a car with swimming:
http://i.imgur.com/GxReE.jpg
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Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 3:36pm |
I'm not curious about whether or not God did intervene, but how. I mean, was he not paying attention until he heard the screams and then he decided he should do something about it? Like revive him AFTER he died. Did he, just for a moment, transform the granite bedrock of Sunset Falls into some kind of flexible plastic, like what waterslide parks use, so the thud of a bouncing body woudln't be fatal? Or perhaps he went another route. Perhaps he armored the kid with invisible body armor, so he could withstand the impacts? Or maybe God was scouting Sunset Falls himself, found a line and let the kid guinea pig the line for him. (Hey, I have no problem with this solution. I do it all the time on the river).
I suppose if you're God, you've got a lot of miracle options at your fingertips. I guess I'm a little curious why God didn't just do the easiest solution of them all: Give the kid super-sticky shoes, so he wouldn't slide into the waterfall. That would have saved some momentary heart-attacks. But it sure would have been less dramatic.
And God has always had a flair for the dramatic.
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Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 3:42pm |
Originally posted by daveHaha, TOP THAT ROB M and all the rest of you guys that use all kinds of pfds and helmets and saftey gear....this guy is the real hero!!!!
If I had girlfriends that cute I would have jumped in to impress them too!!!
Dave, you're a pedo.
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Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 3:55pm |
Sometimes I think people get more upset about people having a debate than the debaters themselves. This happens to me all the time online. I will be having a heated debate with someone who actually enjoys a heated debate and 10 people will come on there telling us to cool it down and stop expressing our opinions. This is usually with politics or religion.
This is BS, unAmerican and un-professor paddle like if you ask me. If you don't like people debating the existence of God or if you get offended if people don't believe in your god then DONT READ THE POST OR THREAD. Its really that easy.
I believe that debate is what helps us learn and evolve. Some might not want our beliefs and religions to evolve and those are usually the first ones to stifle debate.
Please debate about the existence of God if you have someone to debate with you. Do it on the street corner, in your home, or on PP.
I am in fact an Agnostic. Although I wouldn't be stoked about some Christian folks coming on here and preaching about God I wouldn't try to shut them up. I might try to engage a debate but I wouldn't tell them to stop expressing their opinion, especially if they are having a dialouge with someone on-line. If I got sick of them, well , then I wouldn't read their posts!!!
Its usually people who are deep seeded and stoic in their beliefs who try to shut down debate. These kind of folks don't like challenges to their beliefs and the way they were raised.
I'm always open to debate and discussion. Anywhere, anytime.
Love, Horner
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