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  Quote Eric Replybullet Topic: Boat pinned on the Cooper
    Posted: 24 Jul 2011 at 12:14am
A member of our party had a rough run on the Cooper this afternoon.  He's not yet registered for this site but wanted me to post his account of the pin:
There is a large, red Pyranha Burn pinned underwater in Shark's Tooth rapid on the Cooper. It's pinned horizontally in the center left side of the river, below the upper left eddy. I gooned the move to catch this eddy and washed sideways against an upstream facing rock.  The boat pinned solidly and I immediately had water over my head and pushing me back to the rear deck. I felt the boat flexing which motivated me to get out as fast as possible, which required a big ab crunch to get at the grab loop. Swimming shark's tooth - yuck - but I had a good line and didn't get too beat.  After a few minutes, part of my throw rope washed out of the boat and was visible at the bottom of the run. This rope is not clipped in, so it could be loose if you encounter it.  We tried for several hours to get this gear out, but had no luck.
I know that there are plans afoot to head back in to take another shot at retrieving the gear.  The pin spot is just upstream of where the rapid pinches down in the middle, and the pinned boat is tough to see from above, because it's fully underwater.  It's pretty close to the main line as you run the drop.  We think the cockpit is facing upstream.  The end of the rope was briefly visible in the runout just below the shark's tooth rock, but disappeared from view after several attempts to grab it. 



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  Quote JayB Replybullet Posted: 24 Jul 2011 at 12:50pm
Thanks for posting the heads up, and best of luck to the guy in his efforts to get his boat out!

If they can't get the boat out they should really do everything (without seriously endangering themselves) possible to locate the rope and extract it, even if they can't get the boat. Even cutting it as close to the boat as possible would be a dramatic improvement.

I know I'm restating the obvious here but that rope is a severe hazard to everyone else who passes through this rapid, particularly because it won't be obvious  or even evident to anyone who doesn't happen to check this boards.

Having said that I'm sure everyone did everything that they could to get the rope/boat out that day and I can *totally* appreciate the fact that it was probably impossible to do more than they did at the time.

Thanks again for posting this info, best of luck to your friend with the recovery efforts, a and please post an update on the recovery efforts when there's some news.
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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 24 Jul 2011 at 5:58pm
Saw the boat and a few folks slide over the top of it. Good luck that thing looked like it was well wedged in there. Gonna need some low sept . flow to get that out of there if at all this year. 
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  Quote Eric Replybullet Posted: 24 Jul 2011 at 6:07pm
Yeah, agree that the rope is a big hazard.  We tried to fish for the rope for several hours, with no success.  It was hard to leave empty handed.  Will definitely post updates on the recovery efforts.
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  Quote JD_G Replybullet Posted: 24 Jul 2011 at 9:56pm
On our third lap today Scott was able to attach a rope to it. We tried 2 different angles with a 3 to 1 system and had it moving. Thought we were going to get it until the grab loop broke. Didn't see the suspect rope today.
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  Quote warlickone Replybullet Posted: 25 Jul 2011 at 5:09pm
Durn, that's crazy a that a Burn grab loop broke with only a 3:1. Y'all must have been yarding on it pretty hard, eh?

Funny, I had been looking at that eddy thinking about grabbing it but didn't want to tangle with those rocks if I blew it...kinda glad I was a wuss and skipped the cool eddy move.

I'm super glad you're ok. That's a really serious pin.

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  Quote jP Replybullet Posted: 26 Jul 2011 at 12:36pm
No sh*t- I thought I glimpsed another post several days back about another pin in Shark's tooth prior to this one...

Definitely the junkiest rapid on the run, worthy of caution. The paddler's exit from the situation sounded grim. Glad he's ok.
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  Quote Dirk Replybullet Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 10:31pm

I am happy to report that we extracted my boat on Saturday (August 6), so Shark's Tooth is now free of debris - just in time for low water.  Reports are that the rapid, and particularly that rock, has returned to its manky state.  No more boat to boof over.

Thanks to Ryan and Dufay for the support. Ryan live baited out to it with a rope belay from both sides of the river.  He got a sling on the nose and a biner on the front attachment point. A 3-to-1 from river left pulled it off nicely. I've never seen a more busted boat, but with some float bags in it, it had a nice line through Wall of Voodoo.

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  Quote Jimmy Replybullet Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 10:05am

Good job on getting the boat out.  Any word on the rope yet?

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  Quote jP Replybullet Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 10:26am
Damn that's a long time to leave one's plastic trash in the river
At least its out now.

Don't trash the river, lest the river trash ye...
Good on you guys for extracting the offending tupperware.
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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 12:10pm
JP likes to brag on the far right hugging the log that is down to the rock boof, then move back right for the slide at norms. I have to agree the little rock boof is quite nice, can't say its the best thing on the run, but it is a nice addition.
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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 12:53pm
If scuba diving is your thing you might stick to your current method, other wise....
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  Quote JayB Replybullet Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 1:58pm
Nice job on the extraction, guys. Kudos.
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  Quote Force Replybullet Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 4:11pm
Those are strong words for a robe stomper JP
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  Quote jP Replybullet Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 7:19pm
Ya think? Seems about consistant if you ask me. What can I say? Apparently I made a rookie raft guide cry today, too. And apparently it doesn't take much with some of these folks. I call it tough love.

Peeps are always bringing those dumb little bottled waters along. I try to convince people to at least drink half of the bottle before getting in the raft. I mean, I can gulp one down pretty quick and it won't even do sh*t to keep me hydrated. But half the time people won't even crack the seal on the damn things. Then after the trip I gotta be their person garbage man, soggy paper pulp in the bottom of the boat if it didn't find its way into the river. Wish I had liscense to be straight up nazi about it and refuse to take the sh*t. So they are being wasteful twice. They're wasting water and plastic. I guess they are wasting money too unless they stole it (doubtful). They don't want to drink any because they are afraid they'll have to pee. So then why bring the sh*t in my raft when it can't be clipped in like a nalgene or a clean kanteen or Wtf? Piss in the river for christ's sake.

I know this thread is about the Cooper n all, so here's my token Cooper comment: the "Boost-A-Boof" is the sh*t, yo!! And yes, setting safety at Norm's is a great idea. For Sharky's, follow the water over the 'lil plop-didly drop on R. Right at the top. Boogie left there is a fine eddy there. Some peeps eddy out on R. Right, but I consider it out of the way. I pick my way down to the big boulder on the left, almost graze it w/ my bow, then charge left. Eddy out on the left if ya want before the final drop if ya want, or jus bomb on thru.

Ok back to my limited edition soapbox about running livestock and dumb wasteful bottled water... some'a yall heard of the Pacific Gyre, right? Its that huge ass eddy out in the middle of the ocean where converging currents corral tons n tons of garbage. It is my job to draw links between this and that. Not just run a raft down the river. Nah, there is a big picture.

So, let me bring this sh*t back full circle: dragging your boat unecessarily, seal launching unnecessarily, leaving plastic in these pristine canyons... not cool.

So if you can't extract your mess, or can't avoid a mess, maybe you should consider the possibility that you do not belong in these magical places. Maybe you aren't ready to be there. Yeah sh*t happens, but people use that saying like a crutch, too. Just food for thought.

Ask me sometime bout the gold dredger I rescued this season on the Wenatchee- fu*ker spilt all sorts of gasoline in the river. Never kicked down any beer afterward either. Got all cut up, poison oak too. (right at Phils Eddy, btw)

And BTW I drink Arrogant Bastard Ale. CHEERS MUDDIPHUKAS!!!!
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  Quote jP Replybullet Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 8:00pm
And, Force- at least I go by the same name in this small online community as I do in this small whitewater community. I ain't hiding, bro. I'm honest like that.

You? You're another one if them "name: not given" folks. It's cool. But if you're callin me out maybe you should do it openly on an even playing field. If you're just joshin' make that clear too. Its cool. I can laugh with you if there's a laugh track to queue me up. Your comment? Could at least use an emoticon or some punctuation.

When Ronin got all snotty w/ me and called me out about somethin I requested to know his identity and got radio silence. Pretty lame since I was pretty congenial and just wanted to patch things up. Thing is, I got a pretty good idea who he is since he introduced himself at a campfire one night- just can't remember cuz lots of peeps come up to me n introduce themselves, then when they wanna retort one of my admittedly opinionated comments, they hide behind an alias. Those who can't own their online interactions and transform it into something positive and tangible on the river when they see each other shouldn't stir the pot.

So do me a favor when ya see me on the water, Force: love me or hate me just don't be indifferent. Thats boring.

All I'm saying w/ this is: careful not to let all these 1's n 0's fragment your thinking too much. We got all these new modes to communicate but haven't mastered to old ones. Kinda like the way newbies pursue boating. Everyone wants to boof but so few can paddle in a straight line. Not suggesting that's your case at all, Force, so please don't misconstrue.

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  Quote LisaF Replybullet Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 8:55pm
Hey, JP, nice to hear from you again. Where are you guiding these days? (BTW, it's Lisa, but I don't know how to change my screen name here!)
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  Quote fiddleyak Replybullet Posted: 09 Aug 2011 at 7:54am
JP, one lesson I've learned from the river that you seem to have missed is the importance of brevity. You give too much beta and the important point (like which direction you should be going to avoid the hazard) will be easily missed.

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As an outside observer, it appears Dirk acted pretty responsibly given the situation and how far he lives from the Cooper. You were a little out of line to call him out and give him a thumbs down. In response to your post you got a witty one-liner. I laughed pretty hard after figuring out the double meaning of that one, Leif!
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  Quote Force Replybullet Posted: 09 Aug 2011 at 8:51am
I try and do what I can and call them like I see them. That is all for now.

Leif aka force aka force_leif@ but not to be confused with the other Leif. 


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  Quote Ellingferd Replybullet Posted: 09 Aug 2011 at 9:31am
Jesus Christ JP. He swam and his boat pinned, and they got it out when possible. Boaters were alerted via this website, and everyone is just fine. No criticism needed. If you want to start being critical of people swimming and the resulting usage and depositing of resources, perhaps we should look back to a little incident on the Sky a number of years ago.
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  Quote Monk Replybullet Posted: 09 Aug 2011 at 9:36am
Also might be worth noting that at least one other group tried to get the boat out, which resulted in a broken grab loop and the boat still in the river. So, waiting for the water to come down a bit looked like one of the only real options for getting the plastic gone, and it worked.
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  Quote justin Replybullet Posted: 09 Aug 2011 at 9:47am
JP

Usually I enjoy and am enlightened by your prose on this website, but I felt compelled this morning to call you out on your BS.  I know for a fact that Dirk is a capable boater and that the Cooper is well within his skill range.  The fact of the matter is that no matter how hard or easy a river is, s@#$#t happens, and I believe that he and his compatriots acted in an honorable way.  ie.  Posting the warning about the river debris on this site, and returning to retrieve the  wreckage.  The fact that fish's group was unable to retrieve the boat from multiple angles goes to prove that the boat was in a truly sticky spot.  I'm sorry, but I feel that your complaints about their procedure were out of line, and I may be too, but on this point I have to disagree with you.
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  Quote shrek Replybullet Posted: 09 Aug 2011 at 4:20pm
JP.  I love your unprovoked rants about nothing. 
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