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   Posted: 22 May 2008 at 4:50pm |
Here it goes again, quit being such cry baby bitches...if you don't want to booty up, then don't, end of story. It does not pertain to you, so nobody cares what you think. I have come to expect that sort of whinning from KTW, but from the rest of you...good lord. Cry, cry, cry...all the way home.
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ashleygoesdisco
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Posted: 22 May 2008 at 6:29pm |
Originally posted by hugo I have come to expect that sort of whinning from KTW thats real nice, Hugo. if anyone is whining, he isnt the only one. i didnt say anything on the subject yet, but if i had, it would be similar. so what.
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If I recall Paddler did a bacteria sample and assessed the dangers of shooting the boot a few issues ago. If I remember correctly the bootie smell comes from yeast (you know the ingreent that makes beer, beer) and the bacteria count was lower than a keyboard.
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Posted: 22 May 2008 at 8:13pm |
Originally posted by ashleygoesdisco
thats real nice, Hugo. if anyone is whining, he isnt the only one. i didnt say anything on the subject yet, but if i had, it would be similar. so what.
Too bad, nobody cares what you think crashley. Besides, from the sounds of it, you owe more than a couple of booty beers to even the score from last weekend...
atych yew gee oh!
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nobody has to care. you are just being a jerk, like usual. i appreciate it. my opinion, yep, it probably stinks. thanks for making my hectic day better with your ever edifying comments.
and yeah, probably. but its not going to happen. i was sufficiently freaked out, and no one will be making me drink for what happened. they can try, it wont work.
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Ashleygoesswimming, nobody is making you do anything...and that is just it. You choose not to partake in this tradition (which is just fine with us) so nobody gives a shit about what you have to say. I imagine that you do not play ice hockey either...do you bitch to the NHL whenever there is a rule that you don't like?
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ashleygoesdisco
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haaaha. NHL. HA. i keep my nose out of such things.
i just dont like the way that you commented on what KTW said. i think its a valid point though, for a couple of us who dont partake, to post in this thread about why. and i dont think we need any shit for it. i wasnt bitching about the tradition. i was defending someone who has a similar view as i do.
and thanks. swam competitively for six years. =)
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whatever...sorry to hurt your feelings.
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Posted: 22 May 2008 at 11:03pm |
Bringing it back again.
If you don't partake in the tradition then you really don't have an opinion on the matter...
It's like raft guiding you swim you buy beer, if you don't buy beer when you swim guiding you shouldn't drink from the communial beers. Same w/ kayaking, you swim you drink a bootie, if you don't drink a bootie when you swim your opinion on the tradition doesn't matter nor do you get to tell people they owe a bootie, plain and simple. Personally, I could care less if someone doesn't want to drink a bottie if they swim. Traditions are the few things that hold communities together, it creates great stories, pictures, bonding etc. If you want to seperate yourself from that feel free no one is pressuring you to be a part of it. The reason for the bottie is to pay homage to the river for allowing you to get back to your dry clothes and vehicle. If anyone wants to deny this respect that's their deal, personally I look forward to saying thanks and moving on w/ my paddling.
The comments about giardia and bootie beers are some of the more unfound reasons to not own up that I have ever heard. I've had giardia twice now, it sucks, but to say you can get it from drinking botties is just absurd.
James I've got a pair that will match yours I'd be down to have a bootie off comparing the two. Your's actually look more legit due to the duct tape but mine have plants growing out of the toes.
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Blah blah blah
Its easy to say 'don't participate if you don't want to.' On the otherhand, peer pressure, that many of you exhibit, to participate in this tradition is immense.
Also, the idea that 'I drank a booty so everything is ok' doesnt sing to me.
Its a good thing I don't care what you think, Hugo.
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Paul, your post is a perfect example of the pressure I'm talking about. Good thing you don't speak for everyone and don't actually represent the community that I don't get to be a part of if I don't follow along with you.
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Posted: 23 May 2008 at 8:31am |
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KTW,
Once again, like Seattle in general and Professor Paddle specifically, we see how diversity (of opinion) is nurtured and respected.
Err, that is, as long as you agree with the politically correct/vocal opinion.
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Seriously, We do not care if others do it. I do it and my friends do it, I have never, nor will ever pressure somebody into doing it. Arn, this thread was about guidelines of a tradition. If that tradition does not pertain to you, then you have no say in the matter. Lets say that I wanted some beta on Robe, or the Clear Fork of the Cowlitz or the Little White, would you or Ashley or Jose or KTW have any worhwhile beta to give us? Probably not, unless you have been down there and done it for yourself.
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KTW,
Bro I've got friends I paddle w/ that also choose not to drink from booties. It's really not a big deal at all, if you don't want to participate that's fine man NO ONE IS PRESSURING YOU.
Sounds like you've got some buddies or other paddlers that are pretty annoying about trying to get you to drink one, sorry if what I said brought back shivers of peer pressure on you.
The part about traditions was a mention on swimming being a noteworthy aspect of paddling, the bootie commemorates that. If you don't like that tradition fine, come up w/ something else but at the end of the day when people are hanging out and someone asks "so did anyone swim" have something for people to do or partake in.
Also remember that you don't need to drink beer from a bottie to have it count, if someone doesn't want to drink beer that's totally cool also. Tim last weekend on the Clackamas drank a Viso from his bottie.
This whole thing really is more effort than it's worth, making a way bigger deal out of drinking a bottie, and making serious something that's intended to be fun.
Hell, sometimes I'll swim on purpose just so I know I'll get a free beer at the end of the day. It's all those non-swimmers who are the real suckers, ha!
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I think as forum trolls go ... Hugo is the most asinine poster I've seen in a loooong time.
I see that I'm lucky to not have to worry about bootie beers since I'm not a bad ass enough to be dropping into Clear Fork, Robe, Ernies, etc. I have never realized the imporant connection between bootie beers, class V and decency. Thank god we have Hugo here to educate all of us! We are SOOOO LUCKY! Thanks Hugo!
Nothing like a friendly, civil community to make ya proud of your sport. Jackass.
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Posted: 23 May 2008 at 9:22am |
Arn, you're subtle comments on political philosophy, no matter how unrelated they are to the topic at hand, always entertain me. ![]("http://www.professorpaddle.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif") I'm counting about three people in this thread that are espousing the "pc" version of booty drinking.
I guess it comes down to how impressionable you are and what "vibes" you pick up on and who you boat with. I've never felt pressured into drinking a beer and have probably only drank five in my life (even though I've swam a lot more than that).
You can thank the Montana Guidebook/TGR boys for starting the tradition back in the late nineties. For those of you put off by alcohol, you can always imbibe in the "ice cream rules" recently started by the Colorado folks.
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Posted: 23 May 2008 at 9:40am |
I have no opinion that I want to share on the subject of booty beers. I do have an opinion on civility on public forums though. Especially where people often know each other in real life. Asking about etiquette, to me, includes a wide range of answers and it seems appropriate for people to include opinions related to proper form as well as risks/social pressure/ etc. that are associated with said etiquette/tradition and how it makes them feel. I appreciate seeing the different opinions and I don't like the bullying tactics that are often used to suppress them. arn PS Dave, Glad I could provide some entertainment value if nothing else! First time I was accused of being subtle though! ![]("smileys/smiley1.gif")
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Posted: 23 May 2008 at 9:53am |
Slicky, you are missing my point. The same argument applies, that example can be used for any river, if you haven't done it, chances are, you should not be giving beta. It could be class I or class II or class III or class IV or class V. If you don't drink the booty, then nothing you say is of concern to the interested parties, this thread was about clarifying rules, not crying about traditions you don't like.
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I have never felt pressure to drink a bootie, I have not had the opportunity for a little over 6.5 years.
My point is that I have seen people pressured into it. Maybe I misread your post but from what I read, you said that this tradition ties communities together and that if you don't partake you are separating yourself from the community. I feel like that statement is blatant peer pressure.
To restate my other point, I feel that many people use the bootie as a way to ignore their swims. "I drank beer out of neoprene so I am OK now, everything is in the past." I think that a lot of times swims should be analyzed a little more and you should realize that skill assessment (and improvement based on that assessment) is what will stop you from swimming again.
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Posted: 23 May 2008 at 10:31am |
Originally posted by hugowhatever...sorry to hurt your feelings. thanks Hugo. ![]("smileys/smiley9.gif")
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Posted: 23 May 2008 at 11:08am |
Originally posted by arnobarno
I have no opinion that I want to share on the subject of booty beers. I do have an opinion on civility on public forums though. Especially where people often know each other in real life. Asking about etiquette, to me, includes a wide range of answers and it seems appropriate for people to include opinions related to proper form as well as risks/social pressure/ etc. that are associated with said etiquette/tradition and how it makes them feel. I appreciate seeing the different opinions and I don't like the bullying tactics that are often used to suppress them. arn PS Dave, Glad I could provide some entertainment value if nothing else! First time I was accused of being subtle though!
Thanks for an excellent post. I'm done with this thread... not because I don't have points to bring up on the subject, but because of the tone this thread has taken. I have better things to do, like plan my next boating trips, than get into pointless online arguments. And yes, I realize the way I worded my first post could have rubbed someone who does partake in BBs the wrong way, and if I did, I'm sorry. Everyone have a great MD weekend... boat safe and don't swim... whether you do BB's or not.
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Posted: 23 May 2008 at 11:15am |
ahahahaha oh my goodness I just want to start off by saying thank god.
I love how this thread escalated into madness. I'm new to the site, and I could not envision a more positive representation of the paddling community, sans one user. It's ok to stand by your tradition and it's ok to defend your position; I think the only real problem here is one individual calling people out on a public thread in an (obvious) attempt to bring them down. shame on you hugo, I don't care if you're a tsangpo paddler; there is nothing cool about bashing other people because of the whitewater they choose to paddle. that's just lame. and busting on ashley because she swam the other day at high flows? lame again. your negative attitude and your (obvious) desire to hurt other peoples' feelings don't do anyone any good.
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Posted: 23 May 2008 at 11:32am |
Wow, no swims in 6.5 years. That's pretty impressive, not being sarcastic.
To reitterate, no one should pressue anyone into drinking booties, or running the gnar, or any other BS that someone doesn't want to do.
To go back to what this thread was about in the first place. If you play the bootie game and you swim whether you self rescue or not, under the rules of the game, you are a canadite for a bootie. I actually just drank one in my kitchen because I like doing them so much.
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Posted: 23 May 2008 at 12:14pm |
swimseat, I am not calling anybody out, nor am i a tsangpo paddler (not sure where you got that idea). GIve me one example from this thread on how i am picking on people because of their choice of whitewater.
I people don't want to be called out, then they stay out of a conversation that has nothing to do with them, or if they do decide to grace us with their irrelevant opinions, then they should be prepared to deal with the responses.
I was wrong to pick on ashley for swimming. that was lame, but she is tough and can handle it. did i not mention in the beginning of this thread that i too have had a few booties this season? simmer down
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Posted: 23 May 2008 at 12:38pm |
james,
I remember that picture -just before ryan (sorry to call you out in such a public forum) and I drank rouge stout from them. because i swim alot, i end up doing a lot booty beers, it gets easier with time. I am fairly sure that i have quite a layer of river sediment in my guts. i raise a can of old chub right now in hopes that i will not have to do one this weekend.
KTW, do you really know people that think that just because they drank a beer from their booty, they are protected? sounds obsurd and don't know any other bootier that thinks that.
Jon
see everybody this weekend and i look forward to hanging with lots of good paddling buds that i don't see too much anymore.
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ahh, f--- it dude, lets go boating...
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