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  Quote Tobin Replybullet Topic: Shoulder
    Posted: 31 Oct 2008 at 10:43am
  I just got back to work from my surgical consultation with Dr Coons (kick ass guy, I highly recomend him for anything shoulder related).
  After waiting a little longer than I wanted to get my insurance up to speed, I finally get to have my shoulder fixed.
  The damage is a little more extensive than origanlly though, I tore the AC, CC, Supraspinatus tendon, & bicepital tendon. There is a fracture to the ball on my humerous that will need to be screwed together, something about grinding the end of my clavical, and a bunch of debriment.
  The good news is that it is finally getting fixed, teh bad news is that it is 4-6 month recovery time.
  Thanks for all the good thoughts, I will Be Back!
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  Quote Liz Replybullet Posted: 31 Oct 2008 at 11:10am
Ouch!  Tobin, I don't know you yet, but I hope you don't mind if I use your post for a little info tap!  Maybe I can learn from your experience?
 
I'm relatively new to kayaking, and have noticed that shoulder injuries tend to go with the territory.  How do I avoid this undoubtedly painful addendum?  It's more than just rolling with bad technique, because we've all done that.  How do kayakers end up with shoulder injuries? and what do I do to avoid them?
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  Quote Tobin Replybullet Posted: 31 Oct 2008 at 11:24am
Liz,
  No worries,
  I fuckered it initially on the South Fork Payette, as I set up to roll I took a rock to the back of my shoulder and seperated it.
  Earlier this season I tried the ol' steroid jerk on a roll and popped it out again.
  I am pretty sure proper technique is very important in protecting the shoulder, and anyone that has seen me roll knows I ain't got it.
   I suspect men are far more suseptable to shoulder injury, men tend to use strength over finesse as a fall back (or at least I do) this leads to really bad form in bad situations.
    There is some cummulative damage in my shoulder that may have led to this. Who knows.
   Keeping your hands inside the 'box' reduces leverage on all or the shoulder joints. Think of your paddle as a huge lever that can put allot more force on the shoulder than it is designed to handle.
   The rock I took to hte back was just bad luck, but other factors in my paddling ability caused me to be upside down in a bad place.
   Stretching, warming up before a run, & paying attention to 'little' pains and not pushing the body to the point of injury will help keep you healthy.
   Cheers
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  Quote septimus prime Replybullet Posted: 31 Oct 2008 at 11:46am
Hey Liz,
 
My major issue, as evident from some of my pics, is letting my arms drift up and out of "the pocket" on drops.  It's a bad habit I don't even think about, but am actively trying to correct. I am trying to follow through with my boof stroke, so that my arms are down on my sides for the landing (not up in some funky position getting strained during an unanticipated high brace).


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  Quote Renée Replybullet Posted: 31 Oct 2008 at 12:20pm
Chit fire, dude - and I was lookin' fwd to hanging otr soon! I'll trade ya your boat for pain pills - sounds like you're gonna need plenty!
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  Quote STLboater Replybullet Posted: 31 Oct 2008 at 12:30pm
Bummer to hear of the extent of the damage.  Did you get your surgery date?
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  Quote Ryan Replybullet Posted: 31 Oct 2008 at 1:22pm
Congrats Tobin!  I've been through it and it's not that bad.  The best thing is your are getting it fixed.
 
Physical Therapy sucks and hurts like hell but if you don't do it you won't recover or have proper range of motion for kayaking.  It'd be a bum deal if you had surgery and then couldn't kayak.  haha  I'd buy you a beer though.
 
Good luck man!!
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  Quote Tobin Replybullet Posted: 31 Oct 2008 at 2:26pm
Surgery will be next week or the following. I'll be sure to let everyone know when the percoset party will begin.
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  Quote water wacko Replybullet Posted: 31 Oct 2008 at 4:42pm
Glad to hear it's getting taken care of Tobin.
-Liz, a recommendation is to paddle within you're comfort level and don't worry about "having" to get on that run or this run. The Top Tye waited a looong time for me. It was great and I was so glad I had the skill to do well on it instead of asking myself why I'm doing this, every drop. Take  a couple kayak classes and at least one rescue class. You and especially your friends will greatly benefit.
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  Quote Liz Replybullet Posted: 01 Nov 2008 at 7:13am
Wow!  Thanks for the great advice!
 
Tobin-- heal quickly!!!
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  Quote 14kayaking2 Replybullet Posted: 03 Nov 2008 at 9:32am
Shoulder injuries suck.  Period.  Long periods of not getting to play.  Good luck and don't get too ansy.   
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  Quote Tobin Replybullet Posted: 04 Nov 2008 at 4:02pm
The surgery is scheduled for 4 o'clock this Thursday.
  In lieu of flowers send beer and percoset.
Wish me luck!
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  Quote jP Replybullet Posted: 04 Nov 2008 at 4:29pm
Bret's advice is spot on. Personally, I'd rather paddle something well within my comfort zone, knowing I have MORE than the required skill for the run, and feel the sex-like fluidity of the experience, than to wingnut my way down a run out of control, struggling, terrified, and strained, just so I can say I did it.

Because even on those runs at the edge of your skill level, that you are familiar with and run often, you will have OFF DAYS. You will have spontaneous days, where you get out even though you're not in optimal shape. You can have fluke incidents. All of these scenarios have the potential to knock your performance down a peg or two, so try to pad out your days on the river by leaving "slack" or a margin for the unexpected.

Don't be a piece of Driftwood! Be a paddler! Seek out better technique however you can: take classes, boat with good PADDLERS (we can all float) and watch the graceful ones and how they move. Emulate that. Devote your mundane local familiar runs (or a portion of the time you spend on them) to working on good technique. Be in good physical condition, stretching is very good before a run. Hardly anyone devotes more than 30 seconds to it at the put in. Be different.

Lastly, consider the boat you paddle. Creek boats are incredibly forgiving. The RPM is an awesome boat. It will teach you a lot about the dynamics of whitewater. Sensations that are drasticly NUMBED by a creekboat. But take it from an old school longboater: A creekboat will widen your margin of safety as far as your shoulder is concerned when you paddle near your envelope. Therefore they are more versatile and ready for an adventure. Take your creekboat out on the Sky once ion a while, even if you'd normally prefer your playboat, so that when you get out on harder "creeks",
you know how to use that creekboat to make love to the river's lines! Sorry for the analogy, but it's the best one I can think of! I certainly don't go paddle whitewater because it reminds me of Ultimate Fighting! For those of you who are after that experience, more power to you as well, but then you need to be even better, and much  much stronger to take a hit off of that 60 footer or in that schoolbus sized hole or whatever.

Listen to your body and mind always and be present. Breathe.


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  Quote Liz Replybullet Posted: 05 Nov 2008 at 12:50pm
Jon Fowlkes speaking of Jesse Coombs:
 
"To see him paddling is to see two lovers dancing; an intimate and soulful connection. The simple give and take with no ego involved; a man searching for purity both within the river and within himself.”
 
I don't think your analogy is too far off, JP. 
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  Quote Wog67 Replybullet Posted: 05 Nov 2008 at 3:51pm
Tobin,

Get better soon. I do believe that percs should be washed down with a light beer though.. .I think I read that on the warning label once.

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  Quote Tobin Replybullet Posted: 07 Nov 2008 at 8:23am
i had my proceedure yrsterday morning. damn it hurts.
  when dr coons got inside, it was worse off than the mri suggested. the surgery ended up taking around 4 hours, not 2 like we thought.
  he took care of everything but i ended up with a few more graphs and anchors than expected.
  i don't wish the need to have a good ortho on anyone, but Dr Coons is the best. I have never felt so comfortable with a physician before, not only in his ability, but more importantly, that he has listened to my needs and wants. a very rare trait for a surgoen.
  if anyone is in need of a consult, look him up. pacific sports medicine at multi care
thanks to the friends that called to check on me.
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  Quote Liz Replybullet Posted: 05 Jan 2009 at 12:42pm
Looks like paddling backwards may help too?  humm...
 
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